ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead.
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
@hosford42 i think it highly depends on how much change we're speaking of here and how many and how much people are involved.
i find the law enforcement as a structure that has been built to support hierarchy and inequality, because it rests on backing up the will of the ruling class by violence against the citizens. also it doesn't address the causes of crime. to make this system different one would have to transform it until it is no longer recognizable.
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
They resign because the systems are so fundamentally broken and enables such egregious levels of corruption that it's way too much for one person to fight it and it's just easier to resign.
Having been in public safety before, I have witnessed firsthand as well as been on the receiving end of such egregious levels of corruption. The level of stress was severe enough to cause me PTSD.
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@hosford42 i think it highly depends on how much change we're speaking of here and how many and how much people are involved.
i find the law enforcement as a structure that has been built to support hierarchy and inequality, because it rests on backing up the will of the ruling class by violence against the citizens. also it doesn't address the causes of crime. to make this system different one would have to transform it until it is no longer recognizable.
@hosford42 i admire it when people try to change things from within, but there's only so much leeway you can get to change things when a system that necessitated said things to happen is still in place. the rich and the government benefit from having the police, from being able to arrest protesters and throw them in jail, spy on its citizens and so on and so forth.
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian Once upon a time there was a good cop. His name was Christopher Dorner. There quite probably have been others but you don't hear their names because they don't successfully fight back against their erasure when the system invariably expels them for not violating their principles, or, they adjust their principles and become bastard cops.
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@hosford42 i admire it when people try to change things from within, but there's only so much leeway you can get to change things when a system that necessitated said things to happen is still in place. the rich and the government benefit from having the police, from being able to arrest protesters and throw them in jail, spy on its citizens and so on and so forth.
therefore any attempts at radical change are going to be kneecapped without strong, massive action. and if change happens, whatever comes out on the other end might not be even right to call police at all. it probably would focus on restorative action rather than punitive and it would have to look very differently.
forgive if i am incoherent it's kinda 2 am here, but my point is, how much can you polish something before it stops being a turd?
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therefore any attempts at radical change are going to be kneecapped without strong, massive action. and if change happens, whatever comes out on the other end might not be even right to call police at all. it probably would focus on restorative action rather than punitive and it would have to look very differently.
forgive if i am incoherent it's kinda 2 am here, but my point is, how much can you polish something before it stops being a turd?
@hosford42 like at which point the consequences of someone's active participation in an unjust system become outweighed by the change they made? i hardly feel like one person can do this even if they're really sincere about it. and should they really be a part of said system to be able to change it?
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
@hosford42 @mynameistillian Good cops get fired. My father in law was a cop, but he felt like his time and energy was better spent making sure unhoused people had food and a place to stay rather than arresting them and handing out fines. So the department fired him and made sure he couldn't get hired anywhere else. ACAB, because if they're not they don't last long as cops.
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
Aaron To get into a high enough position within the system to have any meaningful control over the system means having participated in the system to such a degree that the system itself has repeatedly rewarded you.
People who want to change systems do not get rewarded by those systems. People who get rewarded by systems are not incentivised to change them.
