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Women experience guilt, shame and exclusion in gaming culture, study finds

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  • nima@leminal.spaceN nima@leminal.space

    what controller should she be holding? or is this you not realizing you can use a PS4 controller for an android device?

    cause you can.

    edit: did you just downvote me for telling you that you can use a controller on a mobile device? 😂

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    Captain Aggravated
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    #65

    She should be holding a mobile phone. because that is what mobile gaming mostly looks like.

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    • Captain AggravatedC Captain Aggravated

      She should be holding a mobile phone. because that is what mobile gaming mostly looks like.

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      nima@leminal.space
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      #66

      i use a controller for when I play my mobile games. did you know you can use controllers with bluetooth now?

      you’re not limited to just touch screens like the first days of android apps.

      we have come a long way since then. good luck!

      edit: here for those interested.

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        montreal_metro@lemmy.ca
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        #67

        It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.

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          #68

          just like in real life.

          online there are the sexual guys who will buy you anything to be theirs.

          And there are the annoying sexist ones. I think it often has to do with a primitive feeling in the guy of “there is a female right there that im interacting with but she isnt having sex with me. i am thus annoyed.” so the male does mean pokes at the female because it’s “her fault” they arent having sex. i’ve seen it a trillion times. “why arent you MY bitch?” pokes rudely

          And lastly there is the good type of male who, just like the good type of female, can have fun with you while playing the game together and enjoying the play; simple as that.

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          • nima@leminal.spaceN nima@leminal.space

            it is not equal between men and women. toxicity toward women is usually much worse. and is much more frequent.

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            but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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            #69

            True enough. I’ve steered clear of any games where you interact with other people, I stick with single player.

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            • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

              True enough. I’ve steered clear of any games where you interact with other people, I stick with single player.

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              nima@leminal.space
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              #70

              i am the same. if I play multiplayer games its only with friends I already know. i even play most MMOs solo.

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              • G grte@lemmy.ca

                This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.

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                duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                #71

                It’s just one joke, over and over again. I’m a guy, but one of the reasons I stopped going to lan parties was hearing this same few jokes again and again whenever a woman showed up. If it wasn’t a woman, it would be something else from the limited number of topics and opinions they had. When it wasn’t frustrating, it was simply boring.

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                • F fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  We need equality in the gaming space.

                  We should shame everyone who plays games on phones equally.

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                  • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

                    So they aren’t actually getting excluded from games they just dont view themselves as gamers probaby because that label is cringe. I wouldn’t consider someone who casually plays mobile games to be a gamer either. Gamer isnt just anyone who play a games, it describes someone who embeds themselves in gaming communities and culture and engages gaming as a hobby. Same as going for a walk doesn’t make you a hiker.

                    I play pc games often and wouldnt consider myself a gamer.

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                    dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                    #73

                    There’s plenty of mobile games you can sink thousand of hours in to.

                    Would you consider someone who has played Tetris for 10,000 hours a gamer?

                    Why would Candy Crush be different?

                    Genshin? There’s plenty of literal gamer communities for the gacha games.

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                    • Captain AggravatedC Captain Aggravated

                      “Researchers surveyed 1,000 women of all ages across the UK who play mobile games.”

                      Shows a picture of a woman holding what appears to be a PS4 controller.

                      Poifect.

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                      samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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                      #74

                      I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.

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                      • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

                        It’s just one joke, over and over again. I’m a guy, but one of the reasons I stopped going to lan parties was hearing this same few jokes again and again whenever a woman showed up. If it wasn’t a woman, it would be something else from the limited number of topics and opinions they had. When it wasn’t frustrating, it was simply boring.

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                        samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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                        #75

                        What’s the one joke?

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                        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                          There’s plenty of mobile games you can sink thousand of hours in to.

                          Would you consider someone who has played Tetris for 10,000 hours a gamer?

                          Why would Candy Crush be different?

                          Genshin? There’s plenty of literal gamer communities for the gacha games.

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                          fizz@lemmy.nz
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                          #76

                          There is no difference between sinking 10k hours into tetris, candy crush or csgo. I’d consider all to be gamers. But sinking 10k hours isnt casual. Someone who plays candy crush every day and is active in candy crush communities would be a gamer. But someone who has candy crush on their phone and plays every now and then for short periods and doesnt engage in anything else related to candy crush or gaming i would not consider to be a gamer.

                          If someone wants to argue that the casual candy crush player is a gamer then I’ll let them have it and will need to make a new label because at that point its watered down beyond use. Gamer as a label is pretty cringe anyway so I doubt many are actually calling themself that.

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                            just like in real life.

                            online there are the sexual guys who will buy you anything to be theirs.

                            And there are the annoying sexist ones. I think it often has to do with a primitive feeling in the guy of “there is a female right there that im interacting with but she isnt having sex with me. i am thus annoyed.” so the male does mean pokes at the female because it’s “her fault” they arent having sex. i’ve seen it a trillion times. “why arent you MY bitch?” pokes rudely

                            And lastly there is the good type of male who, just like the good type of female, can have fun with you while playing the game together and enjoying the play; simple as that.

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                            feathercrown@lemmy.world
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                            #77

                            There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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                            • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

                              What’s the one joke?

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                              feathercrown@lemmy.world
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                              Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”

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                              • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                Many men are emotionally unable to accept things like this. I think the reasoning goes like

                                • i’m a good person
                                • i like my hobby
                                • someone is saying bad things about my hobby
                                • this makes me feel bad, so it must be false
                                • furthermore, the person bringing it up is attacking me

                                Link Preview Image
                                Belief perseverance - Wikipedia

                                favicon

                                (en.wikipedia.org)

                                Facts don’t matter. There’s really nothing you can do if you’re not someone they like.

                                I also think about this comic a lot: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1151.html - Some people are too cowardly to grow.

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                                feathercrown@lemmy.world
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                                This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone link an oots comic. Nice pick.

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                                  ZeroOne
                                  wrote on last edited by mitm0@lemmy.world
                                  #80

                                  Suuuuuuure buddy, mobile gamers. Very reputable.

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                                  • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                                    There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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                                    ZeroOne
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                                    That same “study” uses evolution psychology which was proven to be not reliable. But hey at least we get to demonize men right as always.

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                                    • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

                                      Maybe in more current MMOs, because back in my WoW days (2013 and earlier), misogyny was rampant

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                                      stray@pawb.social
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                                      That’s what I mean about the large sample size. It only takes the existence of a single asshole to ruin the experience for a target of harassment or casual phobic comment not even directed at them intentionally. Blizzard won’t ban these people, so they’re allowed to exist in the public chat channels, and they can say pretty much whatever the hell they want.

                                      But what I mean is most people do not side with them. An asshole will drop a transphobic comment specifically because they know most people will take offense and argue with them. The general advice is to disable public communication and stick to organizing via guilds and Discord servers which are actually moderated. If the game were a democracy, those people would punished and/or removed.

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                                        yeehaw
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                                        I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?

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                                        • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

                                          It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.

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                                          yeehaw
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                                          Can you elaborate?

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