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Women experience guilt, shame and exclusion in gaming culture, study finds

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  • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

    It’s just one joke, over and over again. I’m a guy, but one of the reasons I stopped going to lan parties was hearing this same few jokes again and again whenever a woman showed up. If it wasn’t a woman, it would be something else from the limited number of topics and opinions they had. When it wasn’t frustrating, it was simply boring.

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    samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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    What’s the one joke?

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    • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

      There’s plenty of mobile games you can sink thousand of hours in to.

      Would you consider someone who has played Tetris for 10,000 hours a gamer?

      Why would Candy Crush be different?

      Genshin? There’s plenty of literal gamer communities for the gacha games.

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      fizz@lemmy.nz
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      #76

      There is no difference between sinking 10k hours into tetris, candy crush or csgo. I’d consider all to be gamers. But sinking 10k hours isnt casual. Someone who plays candy crush every day and is active in candy crush communities would be a gamer. But someone who has candy crush on their phone and plays every now and then for short periods and doesnt engage in anything else related to candy crush or gaming i would not consider to be a gamer.

      If someone wants to argue that the casual candy crush player is a gamer then I’ll let them have it and will need to make a new label because at that point its watered down beyond use. Gamer as a label is pretty cringe anyway so I doubt many are actually calling themself that.

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      • ✨🗝🪄♠️🎩♠️🪄🕸✨A ✨🗝🪄♠️🎩♠️🪄🕸✨

        just like in real life.

        online there are the sexual guys who will buy you anything to be theirs.

        And there are the annoying sexist ones. I think it often has to do with a primitive feeling in the guy of “there is a female right there that im interacting with but she isnt having sex with me. i am thus annoyed.” so the male does mean pokes at the female because it’s “her fault” they arent having sex. i’ve seen it a trillion times. “why arent you MY bitch?” pokes rudely

        And lastly there is the good type of male who, just like the good type of female, can have fun with you while playing the game together and enjoying the play; simple as that.

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        feathercrown@lemmy.world
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        #77

        There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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        • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

          What’s the one joke?

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          feathercrown@lemmy.world
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          #78

          Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”

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          • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

            Many men are emotionally unable to accept things like this. I think the reasoning goes like

            • i’m a good person
            • i like my hobby
            • someone is saying bad things about my hobby
            • this makes me feel bad, so it must be false
            • furthermore, the person bringing it up is attacking me

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            Belief perseverance - Wikipedia

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            Facts don’t matter. There’s really nothing you can do if you’re not someone they like.

            I also think about this comic a lot: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1151.html - Some people are too cowardly to grow.

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            feathercrown@lemmy.world
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            This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone link an oots comic. Nice pick.

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              ZeroOne
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              #80

              Suuuuuuure buddy, mobile gamers. Very reputable.

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              • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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                ZeroOne
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                #81

                That same “study” uses evolution psychology which was proven to be not reliable. But hey at least we get to demonize men right as always.

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                • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

                  Maybe in more current MMOs, because back in my WoW days (2013 and earlier), misogyny was rampant

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                  stray@pawb.social
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                  #82

                  That’s what I mean about the large sample size. It only takes the existence of a single asshole to ruin the experience for a target of harassment or casual phobic comment not even directed at them intentionally. Blizzard won’t ban these people, so they’re allowed to exist in the public chat channels, and they can say pretty much whatever the hell they want.

                  But what I mean is most people do not side with them. An asshole will drop a transphobic comment specifically because they know most people will take offense and argue with them. The general advice is to disable public communication and stick to organizing via guilds and Discord servers which are actually moderated. If the game were a democracy, those people would punished and/or removed.

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                    yeehaw
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                    #83

                    I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?

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                    • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

                      It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.

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                      yeehaw
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                      Can you elaborate?

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                      • L l0rdmathias@sh.itjust.works

                        Confirmed. Counterstrike specifically was very inclusive and very open to most players of all ages, demographics, and skill ranges especially compared to other shooters of the 00’s. Then matchmaking and eventually premier got introduced and any chance of moderating the community died and here we are today.

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                        #85

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                          underreacting@literature.cafe
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                          I would absolutely love a game mode with proximity chat! As a temporary game mode with a separate queue, just to let us try it out. Maybe it could have a dB-manager so people (or at least survivors) were only able to murmur or whisper and everything with loud talking or screaming would be muted? It’s be really fun to frantically whisper “the killer is coming, run” or murmur “I’m gonna get ya!” in a chase, or hear a survivor whisper some instructions and then their audio cut out from screaming due to a jump scare.

                          I think it could be a sort of middle road if there was a voice option for added friends in the game so that people can chat with their friends across platforms. That way people who want to chat with strangers can add people to their friends list while in any lobby (maybe with a category for “besties” or favourites to be able to sort irl-friends into), with the extra step to VC with in-game friends still keeping away the expectation that everyone can/should freely VC with strangers.

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                          • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

                            What’s the one joke?

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                            duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                            #87

                            “girls don’t play video games”

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                              qweertz (they/she)
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                              #88

                              Who play mobile games

                              So not proper gaming like on console or PC?

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                              • G grte@lemmy.ca

                                This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.

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                                Cethin
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                                But if you just treat them like normal you can make some good friends. I had a group of women I played CS with for quite a while after playing with them as a random and just treating them like regular people for once.

                                It takes absolutely nothing to just not act like you’re amazed at talking to a woman. They’re just people trying to have fun in the game, just like you and every other teammate you’ve had. Don’t treat them any differently.

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                                  moltz@lemmy.ml
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                                  Shocker. Women choose to play abusive games, come away feeling bad. Gosh, who could have seen this coming.

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                                  • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldH hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world

                                    I don’t doubt this but now I’m really curious about the numbers. Is it the same on PC? How do women’s experience compare to other genders in similar surveys?

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                                    Cethin
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                                    For how other genders fair, it’s almost entirely dependent on your voice, so feminine sounding people almost certainly get the same treatment, and masculine sounding people just get treated like normal.

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                                    • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

                                      I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.

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                                      Captain Aggravated
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                                      #92

                                      Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you’re probably right.

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                                      • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

                                        “girls don’t play video games”

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                                        samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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                                        #93

                                        Oh, right, THAT one.

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                                        • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                                          Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”

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                                          duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                                          Yeah, except this was irl at a lan part. Where they could see the woman’s lack of response. Whether they came with their boyfriend or alone, they never showed up to a second time.

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