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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/116127740444038853

    The unadmitted reason this is happening (and the AI bubble besides): Moore's Law *has ended*. The only way for hardware sales to go in future is *down* because your next PC or Mac will work just fine until it breaks or dies of old age. So by ramping prices artificially via this RAM/SSD futures bullshit, they're keeping profits high for as long as possible.

    Kierkegaanks regretfullyK This user is from outside of this forum
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    Kierkegaanks regretfully
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    @cstross (unless it kills the industry)

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/116127740444038853

      The unadmitted reason this is happening (and the AI bubble besides): Moore's Law *has ended*. The only way for hardware sales to go in future is *down* because your next PC or Mac will work just fine until it breaks or dies of old age. So by ramping prices artificially via this RAM/SSD futures bullshit, they're keeping profits high for as long as possible.

      GraydonG This user is from outside of this forum
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      Graydon
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      @cstross I am willing to entertain the "we're going to get rid of consumer computer hardware that isn't rented" scenario.

      In the 1970s, there was a thriving market for making, selling, and applying custom/aftermarket car parts. The entire auto industry systematically murdered it by successively moving cars into a space where you couldn't do that. It's not like we don't know a large market can't be expunged.

      The incumbents have a strong general incentive to keep people from having options.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/116127740444038853

        The unadmitted reason this is happening (and the AI bubble besides): Moore's Law *has ended*. The only way for hardware sales to go in future is *down* because your next PC or Mac will work just fine until it breaks or dies of old age. So by ramping prices artificially via this RAM/SSD futures bullshit, they're keeping profits high for as long as possible.

        HP van BraamH This user is from outside of this forum
        HP van BraamH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @cstross Yeah, I recently came to a similar conclusion.

        I had replaced the fans in my 4 year old laptop and now it is ... just fine. Like I'm actually no longer even considering replacing it.

        Now I did buy a ridiculous laptop 4 years ago, but still.

        I wonder how many people could extend the life if their machines by just cleaning out the dust/replacing the fans.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          I just noticed I have 18Tb of storage plugged into my desktop (a laptop with its own 2Tb of built-in SSD) and WTF am I doing with it all?!?

          @blogdiva

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          @cstross @blogdiva I have such large storage, where I keep all my audio and film and game installer backups because fuck streaming.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            I just noticed I have 18Tb of storage plugged into my desktop (a laptop with its own 2Tb of built-in SSD) and WTF am I doing with it all?!?

            @blogdiva

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            @cstross /dev/random > randomnes_store_for_later_use.txt

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            • Kierkegaanks regretfullyK Kierkegaanks regretfully

              @cstross (unless it kills the industry)

              Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Kierkegaanks It probably *will* kill the industry. A lot of smaller VARs will go out of business, bigger ones will see sales stagnate and be forced to put up prices b/c the data center futures bids are ramping prices, then the bubble will burst and we're in Great Depression 2.0. Not much will come through that intact.

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                I just noticed I have 18Tb of storage plugged into my desktop (a laptop with its own 2Tb of built-in SSD) and WTF am I doing with it all?!?

                @blogdiva

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                @cstross @blogdiva Tell me you have an oversized porn library without telling me you have an oversized porn library 😄

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                • Mark DennehyM Mark Dennehy

                  @cstross @blogdiva Tell me you have an oversized porn library without telling me you have an oversized porn library 😄

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                  @markdennehy @blogdiva Actually most of that storage is redundant backup drives 🙂

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                  • GraydonG Graydon

                    @cstross I am willing to entertain the "we're going to get rid of consumer computer hardware that isn't rented" scenario.

                    In the 1970s, there was a thriving market for making, selling, and applying custom/aftermarket car parts. The entire auto industry systematically murdered it by successively moving cars into a space where you couldn't do that. It's not like we don't know a large market can't be expunged.

                    The incumbents have a strong general incentive to keep people from having options.

                    furicleF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    furicle
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                    @graydon @cstross that's not fair - there was no attempt to kill aftermarket parts, the aftermarket is thriving.

                    A poor comparison

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                    • BitHive :python:B BitHive :python:

                      @cstross /dev/random > randomnes_store_for_later_use.txt

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                      @bithive @cstross

                      I thought that went into /dev/null?

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                      • HP van BraamH HP van Braam

                        @cstross Yeah, I recently came to a similar conclusion.

                        I had replaced the fans in my 4 year old laptop and now it is ... just fine. Like I'm actually no longer even considering replacing it.

                        Now I did buy a ridiculous laptop 4 years ago, but still.

                        I wonder how many people could extend the life if their machines by just cleaning out the dust/replacing the fans.

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                        @hp @cstross As I get older, I realize I want my computer to last more than 5 years minimum, with the pricing sky-rocketing. It seems insane for a computer with a dedicated graphics card.

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                        • OblomovO Oblomov

                          @cstross @blogdiva I have such large storage, where I keep all my audio and film and game installer backups because fuck streaming.

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                          @oblomov @cstross @blogdiva

                          Same. Fuck streaming.

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                          • furicleF furicle

                            @graydon @cstross that's not fair - there was no attempt to kill aftermarket parts, the aftermarket is thriving.

                            A poor comparison

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                            @furicle @graydon @cstross indeed. My car is in the shop *right now* having 3rd party parking sensors added.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              @markdennehy @blogdiva Actually most of that storage is redundant backup drives 🙂

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                              @cstross @blogdiva A redundantly backed up porn archive, you say? 😜

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/116127740444038853

                                The unadmitted reason this is happening (and the AI bubble besides): Moore's Law *has ended*. The only way for hardware sales to go in future is *down* because your next PC or Mac will work just fine until it breaks or dies of old age. So by ramping prices artificially via this RAM/SSD futures bullshit, they're keeping profits high for as long as possible.

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                                @cstross ...which only works for as long as nobody else can start producing alternative hardware.

                                And, come on: decades-old DDR3 is barely 5 times slower than modern DDR5. For most practical uses, cheap and somewhat slower than top-end memory would be perfectly fine.

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                                • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

                                  @bithive @cstross

                                  I thought that went into /dev/null?

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                                  @jackwilliambell @cstross you could just /dev/random > /dev/null

                                  But if we talk TB you might want to switch to a managed service like
                                  https://devnull-as-a-service.com/

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                                  • furicleF furicle

                                    @graydon @cstross that's not fair - there was no attempt to kill aftermarket parts, the aftermarket is thriving.

                                    A poor comparison

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                                    @furicle @cstross It is not what it was and a whole lot of effort has gone into, e.g. doing things with on board computers to prevent off-brand parts. (Not, in autos, as much as in heavy machinery including farm machinery.) "Right to repair" didn't start with small electronic gadgets.

                                    Or look at the cost of replacing a headlight; lots of effort has gone into making you buy the big assembly and not either a standard headlight or replacing a bulb.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      I just noticed I have 18Tb of storage plugged into my desktop (a laptop with its own 2Tb of built-in SSD) and WTF am I doing with it all?!?

                                      @blogdiva

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                                      @cstross @blogdiva Sell it and retire with a huge pile of cash?

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                                      • GraydonG Graydon

                                        @furicle @cstross It is not what it was and a whole lot of effort has gone into, e.g. doing things with on board computers to prevent off-brand parts. (Not, in autos, as much as in heavy machinery including farm machinery.) "Right to repair" didn't start with small electronic gadgets.

                                        Or look at the cost of replacing a headlight; lots of effort has gone into making you buy the big assembly and not either a standard headlight or replacing a bulb.

                                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @graydon @furicle This goes back a long way, though. I remember being appalled in 1991 when the windscreen wiper on my car packed up and discovering it needed a sealed assembly with motor, gearing, and two arms to fix it—it wasn't designed to be repairable. (I shared a house with a car kitbasher, though, so he got it working again: opened it up and replaced the stripped plastic gear.)

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          I just noticed I have 18Tb of storage plugged into my desktop (a laptop with its own 2Tb of built-in SSD) and WTF am I doing with it all?!?

                                          @blogdiva

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                                          it’s been so cheap to add another drive or RAM, IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY.

                                          since my divorce, been so broke, everything i have is a hand-me down or refurbished.

                                          that’s why i switched to linux. i’ve squeezed the proverbial blood from Dell Inspiron bricks with SOLDERED RAM. i have ran webservers on tablets meant for kids to play CandyCrush.

                                          don't matter if the tech is cheap if i got no money to spend.

                                          it’s why i can see the scarcity they are creating.

                                          it’s like a divorce.

                                          @cstross

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