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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.

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  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

    We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

    "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

    "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

    PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

    -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

    -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
    ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
    -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
    -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
    -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
    -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
    -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

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    The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

    Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

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    Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

    The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
    must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

    Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

    Ben HardillB This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #55

    @briankrebs So given you have to go through US immigration/customs even if just transiting through the US, this is also going to impact US Airlines, as who wants to turn over all that data even if just spending a few hours air side on the way to some where else?

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    • Martin SeegerM Martin Seeger

      @briankrebs I would be unable to comply, even if I wanted to (and hell, I don't want to).

      I regularly use unique Email addresses and not all of them are documented. I guess that 5 years means 500+ email addresses.

      HaveIBennPwned quite often informs me, how wise that move is 🙂. Do they allow wildcards in email addresses?

      There are several more "no go" points in that text. And if a relative would hand out any information about me, I would consider that a breach of trust. So I won't do that either.

      I think any person wanting to visit the U.S. at the current state must be completely nuts.

      Nanana_Na!C This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #56

      @masek @briankrebs Who even knows all of the profiles, phone numbers, emails etc their relatives use? Like you, I wouldn't even be able to provide my own even if I wanted to.

      This seems like it's only meant to stifle free speech/ intimidate and to create probable cause if you want to go after someone. Because nobody will be able to fully comply

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @briankrebs

        I'm British, white, male, aged 60-ish.

        Prior to February 2016 I typically visited the USA 3 times a year for up to six weeks.

        Since February 2016 I have visited the USA twice in a decade, for a total of 10 days.

        Entering the USA as a foreigner, with a Republican POTUS in the White House, *never* felt safe, but under Trump it looks diabolically dangerous. (And to a glance I resemble "one of them": I'm not female or dark-skinned.)

        Joe BrockmeierJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Joe BrockmeierJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Joe Brockmeier
        wrote last edited by
        #57

        @cstross @briankrebs Living here is not a walk in the park at this point...

        I'd never ask anybody to travel here now. I'm glad I'm no longer in the events-organizing part of tech -- I couldn't host anything anywhere in the U.S. if it required people to come from outside.

        Not our largest problem right now, but it's a fairly nasty symptom.

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        • Shiitake ToastS Shiitake Toast

          @briankrebs I wish people understood how important the Federal Register is to how law is made. The government has to consider comments and if they fail to consider them seriously you can sue to block a regulation. The more people who comment with serious objections to a rule, the harder it is for the government to implement that rule. It’s an under appreciated avenue for direct democracy and direct action. If there’s an issue you care about, you can follow that on the FR

          Infosec StuCI This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #58

          @ShiitakeToast new rule: "Anyone submitting an objection to the federal register must first provide 5 years social media, all email addr...."

          The only way to win is not to play.

          @briankrebs

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          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

            We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

            "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

            "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

            PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

            -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

            -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
            ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
            -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
            -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
            -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
            -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
            -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

            Link Preview Image
            The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

            Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

            favicon

            Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

            The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
            must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

            Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

            Thomas TraynorT This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #59

            @briankrebs Not visiting any time soon, but FUCK NO!

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            • arrakeen_urbaniteA arrakeen_urbanite

              @briankrebs If this happens, the EU should impose similar restrictions on U.S. citizen travelers.

              waldiW This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #60

              @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs No, just to people with private jets or diplomatic passports.

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              • CaptMorganC CaptMorgan

                @briankrebs Why would anyone want to travel to the US. Use a burner phone

                mkjM This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #61

                @CaptMorgan How in the world would using a burner phone help with any of this?

                @briankrebs

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                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                  We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                  "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                  "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                  PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                  -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                  -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                  ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                  -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                  -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                  -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                  -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                  -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                  Link Preview Image
                  The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                  Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                  favicon

                  Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                  The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                  must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                  Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                  Nini
                  wrote last edited by
                  #62

                  @briankrebs Data privacy aside, how would I know that this info wouldn't just find its way out onto the dark web for sale? I already gave up everything including my arsehole print to these fucks so that's one party who shouldn't have it already but that shouldn't mean I want it distributed more widely. Feels deeply unworkable for essentially having every bit of info that a fraudster could destroy my life with.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    @briankrebs

                    I'm British, white, male, aged 60-ish.

                    Prior to February 2016 I typically visited the USA 3 times a year for up to six weeks.

                    Since February 2016 I have visited the USA twice in a decade, for a total of 10 days.

                    Entering the USA as a foreigner, with a Republican POTUS in the White House, *never* felt safe, but under Trump it looks diabolically dangerous. (And to a glance I resemble "one of them": I'm not female or dark-skinned.)

                    Michael NewtonM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #63

                    @cstross@wandering.shop @briankrebs@infosec.exchange ​it doesn't just look dangerous, it looks actually impossible (legally) for many of us if that goes through. I don't have access to all of the information they're asking for even if I did want to give it to them (which I don't).

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                    • Geoff ♞S Geoff ♞

                      @briankrebs going to assume this will also be imposed on US citizens returning home from overseas travel.

                      arrakeen_urbaniteA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      arrakeen_urbanite
                      wrote last edited by
                      #64

                      @sternecker @briankrebs Not likely initially, but you can get it will go there eventually if tolerated.

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                      • Rich Stein (he/him)R Rich Stein (he/him)

                        @briankrebs
                        Seems like a good time — unfortunately — for those outside the US to #boycott major sporting events like the #WorldCup, #LAOlympics, etc. There is no way to guarantee the safety of travelers from abroad — just as there is no way to guarantee the safety of US citizens — until these fascists, goons, grifters and thugs are out of office. Sad.

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                        wrote last edited by
                        #65

                        @RunRichRun @briankrebs Pro sports are such a racket, anyway.... Imagine if 1 tenth of those dollars went to charity or ... mutual aid in ICE targets....

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                        • AAKLA AAKL

                          @briankrebs FIFA's Word Cup tournaments in the U.S. need to be boycotted or cancelled. This puts the world at the mercy of these thugs.

                          Jim FlanaganJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          wrote last edited by
                          #66

                          @AAKL @briankrebs This could put TFGs FIFA peace prize in jeopardy

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                          • Elisabeth MI Elisabeth M

                            @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs that would definitely suck for us citizens, but our government would not care. Punch them, not us

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                            wrote last edited by
                            #67

                            @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs Exactly. Just because the government of one country turns fascist does not mean that we, as Europeans, should abandon our core values, such as those enshrined in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

                            If our European values are to be more than a paper exercise, we must be prepared to uphold them.

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                            • Joe BrockmeierJ Joe Brockmeier

                              @cstross @briankrebs Living here is not a walk in the park at this point...

                              I'd never ask anybody to travel here now. I'm glad I'm no longer in the events-organizing part of tech -- I couldn't host anything anywhere in the U.S. if it required people to come from outside.

                              Not our largest problem right now, but it's a fairly nasty symptom.

                              sjvnS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              sjvn
                              wrote last edited by
                              #68

                              @jzb @cstross @briankrebs Agreed. No one should visit the States now. It's not safe here.

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                              • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                Link Preview Image
                                The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                favicon

                                Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                wrote last edited by
                                #69

                                @briankrebs lmao if they wanted those types of data points on me, they'd have a lot to fish through! I've been using dummy phone numbers, emails, and identities for services for over a decade. I'm talking hundreds of numbers. Thousands of emails. Do they count bots as my social media? Literally gigs of plaintext to sort through. Not to mention I post encrypted blobs in places too.

                                This is just going to impact our economy negatively. Zero forethought.

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                                • Jim FlanaganJ Jim Flanagan

                                  @AAKL @briankrebs This could put TFGs FIFA peace prize in jeopardy

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                                  AAKL
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                                  #70

                                  @jimfl @briankrebs Oh, we wouldn't want that, would we? The tantrum that follows would be catastrophic.

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                                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                    We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                    "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                    "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                    PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                    -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                    -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                    ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                    -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                    -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                    -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                    -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                    -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                    Link Preview Image
                                    The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                    Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                    favicon

                                    Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                    The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                    must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                    Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #71

                                    @briankrebs and coupled with immigration law having provisions that classify any kind of omission on an immigration, visa, or entry form as potential immigration fraud and grounds to disqualify the individual from ANY future status = anybody that forgets one email address or social media account they’ve had years ago is suddenly easily turned into an “illegal immigrant” and passed into the jurisdiction of ICE for deportation and potentially a permanent life ban from the US.

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                                    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                      We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                      "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                      "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                      PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                      -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                      -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                      ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                      -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                      -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                      -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                      -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                      -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                      Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                      favicon

                                      Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                      The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                      must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                      Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #72

                                      @briankrebs

                                      Ha. Fuck America. lol

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                                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                        We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                        "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                        "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                        PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                        -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                        -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                        ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                        -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                        -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                        -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                        -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                        -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                        Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                        favicon

                                        Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                        The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                        must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                        Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #73

                                        @briankrebs

                                        Why don't they just come out and say 'visitors to USA not welcome'?

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                                        • Oliver JensenO Oliver Jensen

                                          @briankrebs

                                          as someone who has been using unique email addresses for every service, I look forward to submitting several hundred addresses.

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #74

                                          @ojensen @briankrebs
                                          That’s what I thought!

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