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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.

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  • CaptMorganC CaptMorgan

    @briankrebs Why would anyone want to travel to the US. Use a burner phone

    mkjM This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #61

    @CaptMorgan How in the world would using a burner phone help with any of this?

    @briankrebs

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    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

      We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

      "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

      "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

      PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

      -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

      -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
      ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
      -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
      -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
      -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
      -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
      -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

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      The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

      Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

      favicon

      Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

      The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
      must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

      Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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      wrote last edited by
      #62

      @briankrebs Data privacy aside, how would I know that this info wouldn't just find its way out onto the dark web for sale? I already gave up everything including my arsehole print to these fucks so that's one party who shouldn't have it already but that shouldn't mean I want it distributed more widely. Feels deeply unworkable for essentially having every bit of info that a fraudster could destroy my life with.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @briankrebs

        I'm British, white, male, aged 60-ish.

        Prior to February 2016 I typically visited the USA 3 times a year for up to six weeks.

        Since February 2016 I have visited the USA twice in a decade, for a total of 10 days.

        Entering the USA as a foreigner, with a Republican POTUS in the White House, *never* felt safe, but under Trump it looks diabolically dangerous. (And to a glance I resemble "one of them": I'm not female or dark-skinned.)

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        wrote last edited by
        #63

        @cstross@wandering.shop @briankrebs@infosec.exchange ​it doesn't just look dangerous, it looks actually impossible (legally) for many of us if that goes through. I don't have access to all of the information they're asking for even if I did want to give it to them (which I don't).

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        • Geoff ♞S Geoff ♞

          @briankrebs going to assume this will also be imposed on US citizens returning home from overseas travel.

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          wrote last edited by
          #64

          @sternecker @briankrebs Not likely initially, but you can get it will go there eventually if tolerated.

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          • Rich Stein (he/him)R Rich Stein (he/him)

            @briankrebs
            Seems like a good time — unfortunately — for those outside the US to #boycott major sporting events like the #WorldCup, #LAOlympics, etc. There is no way to guarantee the safety of travelers from abroad — just as there is no way to guarantee the safety of US citizens — until these fascists, goons, grifters and thugs are out of office. Sad.

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            wrote last edited by
            #65

            @RunRichRun @briankrebs Pro sports are such a racket, anyway.... Imagine if 1 tenth of those dollars went to charity or ... mutual aid in ICE targets....

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            • AAKLA AAKL

              @briankrebs FIFA's Word Cup tournaments in the U.S. need to be boycotted or cancelled. This puts the world at the mercy of these thugs.

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              wrote last edited by
              #66

              @AAKL @briankrebs This could put TFGs FIFA peace prize in jeopardy

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              • Elisabeth MI Elisabeth M

                @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs that would definitely suck for us citizens, but our government would not care. Punch them, not us

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                wrote last edited by
                #67

                @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs Exactly. Just because the government of one country turns fascist does not mean that we, as Europeans, should abandon our core values, such as those enshrined in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

                If our European values are to be more than a paper exercise, we must be prepared to uphold them.

                mkjM martin lentink 🇪🇺 🇺🇦📎M Martin Vermeer FCDM 3 Replies Last reply
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                • Joe BrockmeierJ Joe Brockmeier

                  @cstross @briankrebs Living here is not a walk in the park at this point...

                  I'd never ask anybody to travel here now. I'm glad I'm no longer in the events-organizing part of tech -- I couldn't host anything anywhere in the U.S. if it required people to come from outside.

                  Not our largest problem right now, but it's a fairly nasty symptom.

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #68

                  @jzb @cstross @briankrebs Agreed. No one should visit the States now. It's not safe here.

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                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                    We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                    "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                    "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                    PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                    -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                    -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                    ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                    -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                    -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                    -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                    -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                    -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                    Link Preview Image
                    The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                    Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                    favicon

                    Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                    The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                    must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                    Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                    wrote last edited by
                    #69

                    @briankrebs lmao if they wanted those types of data points on me, they'd have a lot to fish through! I've been using dummy phone numbers, emails, and identities for services for over a decade. I'm talking hundreds of numbers. Thousands of emails. Do they count bots as my social media? Literally gigs of plaintext to sort through. Not to mention I post encrypted blobs in places too.

                    This is just going to impact our economy negatively. Zero forethought.

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                    • Jim FlanaganJ Jim Flanagan

                      @AAKL @briankrebs This could put TFGs FIFA peace prize in jeopardy

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #70

                      @jimfl @briankrebs Oh, we wouldn't want that, would we? The tantrum that follows would be catastrophic.

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                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                        We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                        "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                        "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                        PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                        -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                        -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                        ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                        -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                        -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                        -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                        -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                        -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                        Link Preview Image
                        The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                        Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                        favicon

                        Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                        The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                        must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                        Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                        #71

                        @briankrebs and coupled with immigration law having provisions that classify any kind of omission on an immigration, visa, or entry form as potential immigration fraud and grounds to disqualify the individual from ANY future status = anybody that forgets one email address or social media account they’ve had years ago is suddenly easily turned into an “illegal immigrant” and passed into the jurisdiction of ICE for deportation and potentially a permanent life ban from the US.

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                        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                          We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                          "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                          "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                          PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                          -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                          -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                          ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                          -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                          -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                          -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                          -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                          -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                          Link Preview Image
                          The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                          Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                          favicon

                          Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                          The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                          must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                          Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                          wrote last edited by
                          #72

                          @briankrebs

                          Ha. Fuck America. lol

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                          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                            We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                            "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                            "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                            PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                            -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                            -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                            ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                            -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                            -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                            -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                            -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                            -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                            Link Preview Image
                            The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                            Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                            favicon

                            Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                            The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                            must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                            Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                            wrote last edited by
                            #73

                            @briankrebs

                            Why don't they just come out and say 'visitors to USA not welcome'?

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                            • Oliver JensenO Oliver Jensen

                              @briankrebs

                              as someone who has been using unique email addresses for every service, I look forward to submitting several hundred addresses.

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #74

                              @ojensen @briankrebs
                              That’s what I thought!

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                              • Derick RethansD Derick Rethans

                                @ojensen @briankrebs Do you even remember them all? I certainly don't.

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                                wrote last edited by
                                #75

                                @derickr @briankrebs most of them, since they're in a big list in my email provider. Doubtless there's a few that I've deleted, though, so to be safe I'll need to add a bunch of maybes to the list.

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                                • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                  We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                  "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                  "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                  PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                  -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                  -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                  ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                  -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                  -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                  -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                  -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                  -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                  Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                  favicon

                                  Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                  The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                  must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                  Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #76

                                  @briankrebs
                                  Why didn't they just require everyone get chipped also?

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                                  • Gero SteinT Gero Stein

                                    @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs Exactly. Just because the government of one country turns fascist does not mean that we, as Europeans, should abandon our core values, such as those enshrined in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

                                    If our European values are to be more than a paper exercise, we must be prepared to uphold them.

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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #77

                                    @tdr @independentpen Besides, tit-for-tat international relations rarely works.

                                    If the EU should do anything in response to something like this, make it a reminder that sharing that information without the explicit and informed consent of the data subject is strictly prohibited under the GDPR. And that that includes a third country resident sharing such data as relates to EU data subjects.

                                    @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs

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                                    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                      We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                      "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                      "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                      PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                      -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                      -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                      ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                      -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                      -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                      -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                      -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                      -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                      Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                      favicon

                                      Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                      The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                      must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                      Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #78

                                      @briankrebs the 2028 Olympics in LA will be fun. No visitors and no athletes from outside.

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                                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                        We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                        "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                        "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                        PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                        -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                        -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                        ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                        -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                        -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                        -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                        -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                        -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                        Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                        favicon

                                        Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                        The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                        must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                        Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #79

                                        @briankrebs

                                        They are only forced if they continue to wanting to travel to the US.

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                                        • arrakeen_urbaniteA arrakeen_urbanite

                                          @briankrebs If this happens, the EU should impose similar restrictions on U.S. citizen travelers.

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #80

                                          @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs

                                          only on politicians

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