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Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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  • Kyle Memoir 🍉F Kyle Memoir 🍉

    @cstross

    The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

    'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

    This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

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    @f800gecko “you’re absolutely right!”

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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      They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

      Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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      (abiawomosu.substack.com)

      (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

      dataramaD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

      I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

        Link Preview Image
        They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

        Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

        favicon

        (abiawomosu.substack.com)

        (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

        Jasper 🍉J This user is from outside of this forum
        Jasper 🍉J This user is from outside of this forum
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        @cstross there is truth to it, but really tendentious writing.

        The substack profile picture mentions "telling you a different story about AI". A story is not an assessment.

        The suggestion is nice, but often in practice people will use other peoples' server, i'd not depend or send too much...

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        • dataramaD datarama

          @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

          I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

          Colman ReillyC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @datarama @cstross there’s a really weird feel to the format. Pretty sure an article I read today was at least reformatted with an LLM. It felt like it was written to a formula designed for SEO with no style of its own at all.

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          • Kyle Memoir 🍉F Kyle Memoir 🍉

            @cstross

            The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

            'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

            This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

            Hannah SteenbockF This user is from outside of this forum
            Hannah SteenbockF This user is from outside of this forum
            Hannah Steenbock
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            @f800gecko

            A striking similarity to drugs like cocaine. Maybe it is similarly addictive, too.

            @cstross

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            • Colman ReillyC Colman Reilly

              @datarama @cstross there’s a really weird feel to the format. Pretty sure an article I read today was at least reformatted with an LLM. It felt like it was written to a formula designed for SEO with no style of its own at all.

              dataramaD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Colman @cstross I can't explain what it is. And it's more pronounced with images than with text (but *even more* pronounced when I've had to use a chatbot).

              It's not simply distaste; it's a revulsion that feels so deep-seated and primal that I imagine my pet lizard would recognize the feeling itself (though obviously not the context).

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              • dataramaD datarama

                @Colman @cstross I can't explain what it is. And it's more pronounced with images than with text (but *even more* pronounced when I've had to use a chatbot).

                It's not simply distaste; it's a revulsion that feels so deep-seated and primal that I imagine my pet lizard would recognize the feeling itself (though obviously not the context).

                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #27

                @datarama @Colman "Uncanny valley" only for theory-of-mind in interpersonal communication, rather than visual appearance of human-like-but-not-actually-human things?

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