Nein. Bitte, nein.

I love Owlcat games. But i absolutely hate that they have the math formulas in everything. Just tell me the results man, that’s why I’m playing on a computer

To each their own, I love seeing the math because then I can miss six attacks in a row and go “Fuck you! That’s bullshit! Those rolls are bullshit!” and then look in the combat log to see that no, those rolls weren’t bullshit, they’re just shit. Makes the game feel more fair. If they obfuscated the math and just said “Nah mate, you miss” x6 with no other explanation that would really piss me off.

Don’t forget legalese

Oh i don’t mean during combat. I mean for spells and items, weapons and armor.

Magic Iron Armor
Protects character for (blah blah)x7(15 + armor base - stat whatever)

It’s a computer program. Just list it as"protects character for 6", and have that 6 change based on the requirements. You know, like how every other dev team in the history of videogames has done it haha

not for D&D, but in wargames with minis and terrain and stuff, I absolutely want to know the trajectory of the artillery shells being fired on my position. As well as the blast radius of the detonation and (if applicable) the size of the fireball and radius in which any shrapnel might be an issue.

Gotta know how many of my men are left and if their fortifications are left standing.

But then you don’t know how your gear scales! That’s important knowledge!

If they were making a less number-crunchy game then I might agree with you but this is kind of just the nature of Pathfinder, honestly. It’s a game for numbers nerds and your objective is to stack +68 to your attack rolls or saves via as many different avenues as possible. This isn’t really Owlcat’s fault I don’t think, it’s more just a consequence of choosing Pathfinder as the system to run your game in.

Yes, ill bring draino and cesium chips!

I love hearing people talk about it a lot more than I have ever enjoyed playing.

That’s not to say I don’t enjoy playing it, certainly I do.

But I like the whole thing. You wanna tell me about your epic campaign? Or the ridiculous run? Cool. Those are stories I can consume without effort.

I like live imorov, and dragons, but not math. That’s why I’m a bard.

turns out I didn’t hate improv or basic math, I just let something convince me that I should dislike things I’m bad at

Music is just math that sounds good when you get it right. Can’t help you if you’re one of those dancing or fancy-talking bards, though.

Yeah, it’s just basic arithmetic with (usually) small numbers, and if you’re the min-maxing type you might add probability calculation into it, but the latter is strictly optional and the former is basically the fun part about maths.

TBH I think probability calculation is fascinating, but it can get a bit cerebral if you want to do it during play.

Math? I don’t think that rpg talks about computing an integral or spending 2h arguing on whether we’re on a Hilbert space and can compute a scalar product.

Is there any rpg where you need to do so? May be Fatal?

EVE Online taught me speed distance time long before school did. It also helps that it’s just intuitively obvious but that didn’t stop it taking 2 whole lessons of physics.

What’s the mathenatically optimal guitar solo that’ll “make them panties drop?”

Ah, but you see, arithmetic is scary.

The only time I get too much to deal with is when I’m rolling four dice per attack, twice per round, and want to have a high level of confidence in my answer while also not taking up everyone’s time. For that I just made a spreadsheet and moved on with it.

Nah it’s Owlcat. They did the same thing with the 40k game.

If you’re like me and countless others, my money is on the culprit of school being like “You don’t get it yet? YOU’RE FAILING AND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES. Look at the smart kid who is effortlessly succeeding! Let’s dote on them!”

Like sheesh, of course I’d never want to try anything I don’t have a natural affinity for. Thanks! Lol

I’m glad we realized this and broke out of it though. Many are not so lucky.