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The horror of Age Verification is arriving in Canada πŸš¨πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

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  • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

    The horror of Age Verification is
    arriving in Canada πŸš¨πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

    Contact your federal MP and the office of the Prime Minister this week to tell them you strongly oppose the privacy-destroying and inefficient measure.

    The time to push back is NOW: https://globalnews.ca/news/11797286/liberal-party-adopts-motion-social-media-ban-kids/

    'Prime Minister Mark Carney said last month that the idea β€œmerits an open and considered debate in Canada,” although he does not have a settled view on it yet and said there were good points on both sides.'

    Shared educational resources with them on the dangers of Age Verification: https://www.eff.org/age

    We do NOT want this nightmare in Canada. Fight back for your privacy rights! βœŠπŸ”’

    #AgeVerification #Privacy #DigitalRights #HumanRights #MassSurveillance #Canada #CanPoli #CndPol

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    @Em0nM4stodon

    so far the gatekeep I’ve been seeing used as of late is give us your credit card number before you can proceed to prove you’re an adult, which is ridiculous

    I just recently did not sign up for ghost as an adult to try it out because they demanded my card upfront

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    • bbbhltzB bbbhltz

      @Em0nM4stodon

      Bad idea...

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      Call Off Your Dogs | BobbyHiltz.com

      This post discusses recent laws banning social media for adolescents

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      (bobbyhiltz.com)

      Regulate the tech companies instead

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      @bbbhltz Excellent post!

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      • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

        @robriley Unfortunately, a social media ban is not good.

        What this truly means, is requiring every adult using social media to provide official ID to a for-profit third-party company who will inevitably leak it or use it. This is really bad for users' safety. Breaches like this have already happened.

        Additionally, it makes every account attached to a legal identity, allowing governments full control and censorship over their critics and opposition. It also endangers the most vulnerable and marginalized groups online, especially people of colour and the LGBTQ+ community. Age Verification leads to horrible outcomes for democracy, and for society as a whole. Moreover, it does not end up protecting the children. This is sadly only used as an excuse to convince people who are misinformed.

        I invite you to read more on this topic using this excellent resource prepared by EFF: https://www.eff.org/age

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        @Em0nM4stodon @robriley meshtastic - not a universal answer but a useful local one. And less than $30 so...

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        • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

          The horror of Age Verification is
          arriving in Canada πŸš¨πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

          Contact your federal MP and the office of the Prime Minister this week to tell them you strongly oppose the privacy-destroying and inefficient measure.

          The time to push back is NOW: https://globalnews.ca/news/11797286/liberal-party-adopts-motion-social-media-ban-kids/

          'Prime Minister Mark Carney said last month that the idea β€œmerits an open and considered debate in Canada,” although he does not have a settled view on it yet and said there were good points on both sides.'

          Shared educational resources with them on the dangers of Age Verification: https://www.eff.org/age

          We do NOT want this nightmare in Canada. Fight back for your privacy rights! βœŠπŸ”’

          #AgeVerification #Privacy #DigitalRights #HumanRights #MassSurveillance #Canada #CanPoli #CndPol

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          @Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone

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          • mHttM mHtt

            @Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone

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            @mHtt Exactly

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            • wbftwW wbftw

              @SnowyCA @robriley @Em0nM4stodon The MP who introduced the legislation? (proposal?, not sure) said something along the lines of β€œa lot of kids I talked to are supportive of the idea”, and this sounds as fake as plastic Christmas trees.

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              @wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon

              I nearly choked on a mouthful of water while reading "a lot of kids I talked to..."
              The first time I read that line I thought, "Which kids? Ones in pre- school who will agree with anything if you offer a piece of candy?"

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              • mHttM mHtt

                @Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone

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                @mHtt @Em0nM4stodon Probably would be difficult to enforce the ban in a meaningful way, as a practical solution:
                * introduce mandatory independent moderation, with rates and penalties increasing with the size of the platform (goal: force decentralization and therefore reduce the reach, and as a result make attention harvesting less effective)
                * ban surveillance advertising (might be doable, seeing that the industry blatantly violates every privacy legislation, including GDPR).

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                • Athro RobR Athro Rob

                  @Em0nM4stodon ban o. Social media for under 16s is good.

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                  @robriley @Em0nM4stodon
                  That's such a naive view to be honest. Instead of banning the use of addictive gaslighting algorithms by the large corpos and forcing them to moderate effectively, we are choosing to do damage by excluding young people from sometimes the last safe spaces they have, creating a huge attack surface for hackers, and giving governments a tool for mass surveillance and censorship. NOTHING about this legislation is a good idea. It's catastrophically dystopian.

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                  • Athro RobR Athro Rob

                    @Em0nM4stodon ban o. Social media for under 16s is good.

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                    @robriley @Em0nM4stodon
                    Instead of victim blaming the kids for being targeted by corpos, addicting them with predatory algorithms, we should blame the actual perpetrators: Meta, X, etc.

                    It's easy to kick down to an underrepresented group in politics. It's disrespectful and antidemocratic.

                    Plus, this was never about the children. This is about control. Surveillance. Tools for governments to control who is online. You just need one autocratic government (USA...) to use this to target dissidents

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                    • Alpha Male Martha Stewart πŸ‰πŸŒˆF Alpha Male Martha Stewart πŸ‰πŸŒˆ

                      @Em0nM4stodon Don't these kids have parents? Shouldn't their parents be keeping them safe on the internet? Would these same people let their kids loose in a large city to roam all day and night without supervision?

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                      Alpha Male Martha Stewart πŸ‰πŸŒˆ These maassive, highly profitable companies should also be doing their part in actually moderating their platforms, or they should no longer have platforms.

                      Moderated social media on smaller websites is what many of us grew up with, and it is manageable. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit just don’t want to do the job, so they shouldn’t have the privilege of hosting such platforms. This is just an attempt to shielld them from their responsibilities to their users.

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                      • KichaeK Kichae

                        Alpha Male Martha Stewart πŸ‰πŸŒˆ These maassive, highly profitable companies should also be doing their part in actually moderating their platforms, or they should no longer have platforms.

                        Moderated social media on smaller websites is what many of us grew up with, and it is manageable. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit just don’t want to do the job, so they shouldn’t have the privilege of hosting such platforms. This is just an attempt to shielld them from their responsibilities to their users.

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                        @kichae I almost missed this toot because I have all mentions of twitter filtered as "possible child porn" because it is the largest child porn creation and dissemination website on the planet.

                        That being said, This is absolutely one head of the hydra that is working to ruin the web, democracy, the environment, etm

                        Sites that were run by people not corps were safer, and more fun.But you know know capitalism or something.

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                        • wbftwW wbftw

                          @robriley @Em0nM4stodon It’s an incredibly myopic position that entirely ignores the root cause of the problem and shifts the blame to kids (who incidentally have little to no representation in Canadian politics and therefore present an excellent vector for introduction of draconian laws).

                          Whereas the problem lies *entirely* with the business model of attention harvesting with surveillance-based advertising at its base. The latter is not only a dumpster fire of privacy violations but the tools to support it are also profoundly anti-democratic; the whole thing should not be regulated but destroyed outright.

                          So, no, we should see this drive for age verification for what it is β€” an attempt to tie every user on the internet to a strong identity, a base for enabling mass-surveillance and mass-censorship.

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                          @wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon Spot on - same bs going down in the UK - people don't seem to understand the point isn't to limit kids access...it's to create detailed ID records for all people over the age limit.

                          Look at trump's usa and their treatment of Francesca Albanese as a perfect example of how personal data can be misused to target an individual.

                          People say 'our government won't do this', and yes, they may be right....but what about a future one?

                          That's where all this is heading πŸ˜”.

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                          • Oyu F'kaO Oyu F'ka

                            @wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon Spot on - same bs going down in the UK - people don't seem to understand the point isn't to limit kids access...it's to create detailed ID records for all people over the age limit.

                            Look at trump's usa and their treatment of Francesca Albanese as a perfect example of how personal data can be misused to target an individual.

                            People say 'our government won't do this', and yes, they may be right....but what about a future one?

                            That's where all this is heading πŸ˜”.

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                            @Oyu_Fka @wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon

                            After the world's experience of Donald Trump, it would be foolish to believe that any national leader "won't go there." If not the current one, the next one.

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                            • wbftwW wbftw

                              @mHtt @Em0nM4stodon Probably would be difficult to enforce the ban in a meaningful way, as a practical solution:
                              * introduce mandatory independent moderation, with rates and penalties increasing with the size of the platform (goal: force decentralization and therefore reduce the reach, and as a result make attention harvesting less effective)
                              * ban surveillance advertising (might be doable, seeing that the industry blatantly violates every privacy legislation, including GDPR).

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                              @wbftw @Em0nM4stodon

                              Sure also, when a database is queried,: only return the exact string with no 'suggestions'. in fact no suggestions ever at all.

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