The horror of Age Verification is arriving in Canada π¨π¨π¦
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@Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone
@mHtt Exactly
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@SnowyCA @robriley @Em0nM4stodon The MP who introduced the legislation? (proposal?, not sure) said something along the lines of βa lot of kids I talked to are supportive of the ideaβ, and this sounds as fake as plastic Christmas trees.
@wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon
I nearly choked on a mouthful of water while reading "a lot of kids I talked to..."
The first time I read that line I thought, "Which kids? Ones in pre- school who will agree with anything if you offer a piece of candy?" -
@Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone
@mHtt @Em0nM4stodon Probably would be difficult to enforce the ban in a meaningful way, as a practical solution:
* introduce mandatory independent moderation, with rates and penalties increasing with the size of the platform (goal: force decentralization and therefore reduce the reach, and as a result make attention harvesting less effective)
* ban surveillance advertising (might be doable, seeing that the industry blatantly violates every privacy legislation, including GDPR). -
@Em0nM4stodon ban o. Social media for under 16s is good.
@robriley @Em0nM4stodon
That's such a naive view to be honest. Instead of banning the use of addictive gaslighting algorithms by the large corpos and forcing them to moderate effectively, we are choosing to do damage by excluding young people from sometimes the last safe spaces they have, creating a huge attack surface for hackers, and giving governments a tool for mass surveillance and censorship. NOTHING about this legislation is a good idea. It's catastrophically dystopian. -
@Em0nM4stodon ban o. Social media for under 16s is good.
@robriley @Em0nM4stodon
Instead of victim blaming the kids for being targeted by corpos, addicting them with predatory algorithms, we should blame the actual perpetrators: Meta, X, etc.It's easy to kick down to an underrepresented group in politics. It's disrespectful and antidemocratic.
Plus, this was never about the children. This is about control. Surveillance. Tools for governments to control who is online. You just need one autocratic government (USA...) to use this to target dissidents
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@Em0nM4stodon Don't these kids have parents? Shouldn't their parents be keeping them safe on the internet? Would these same people let their kids loose in a large city to roam all day and night without supervision?
Alpha Male Martha Stewart ππ These maassive, highly profitable companies should also be doing their part in actually moderating their platforms, or they should no longer have platforms.
Moderated social media on smaller websites is what many of us grew up with, and it is manageable. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit just donβt want to do the job, so they shouldnβt have the privilege of hosting such platforms. This is just an attempt to shielld them from their responsibilities to their users.
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Alpha Male Martha Stewart ππ These maassive, highly profitable companies should also be doing their part in actually moderating their platforms, or they should no longer have platforms.
Moderated social media on smaller websites is what many of us grew up with, and it is manageable. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit just donβt want to do the job, so they shouldnβt have the privilege of hosting such platforms. This is just an attempt to shielld them from their responsibilities to their users.
@kichae I almost missed this toot because I have all mentions of twitter filtered as "possible child porn" because it is the largest child porn creation and dissemination website on the planet.
That being said, This is absolutely one head of the hydra that is working to ruin the web, democracy, the environment, etm
Sites that were run by people not corps were safer, and more fun.But you know know capitalism or something.
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@robriley @Em0nM4stodon Itβs an incredibly myopic position that entirely ignores the root cause of the problem and shifts the blame to kids (who incidentally have little to no representation in Canadian politics and therefore present an excellent vector for introduction of draconian laws).
Whereas the problem lies *entirely* with the business model of attention harvesting with surveillance-based advertising at its base. The latter is not only a dumpster fire of privacy violations but the tools to support it are also profoundly anti-democratic; the whole thing should not be regulated but destroyed outright.
So, no, we should see this drive for age verification for what it is β an attempt to tie every user on the internet to a strong identity, a base for enabling mass-surveillance and mass-censorship.
@wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon Spot on - same bs going down in the UK - people don't seem to understand the point isn't to limit kids access...it's to create detailed ID records for all people over the age limit.
Look at trump's usa and their treatment of Francesca Albanese as a perfect example of how personal data can be misused to target an individual.
People say 'our government won't do this', and yes, they may be right....but what about a future one?
That's where all this is heading
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@wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon Spot on - same bs going down in the UK - people don't seem to understand the point isn't to limit kids access...it's to create detailed ID records for all people over the age limit.
Look at trump's usa and their treatment of Francesca Albanese as a perfect example of how personal data can be misused to target an individual.
People say 'our government won't do this', and yes, they may be right....but what about a future one?
That's where all this is heading
.@Oyu_Fka @wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon
After the world's experience of Donald Trump, it would be foolish to believe that any national leader "won't go there." If not the current one, the next one.
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@mHtt @Em0nM4stodon Probably would be difficult to enforce the ban in a meaningful way, as a practical solution:
* introduce mandatory independent moderation, with rates and penalties increasing with the size of the platform (goal: force decentralization and therefore reduce the reach, and as a result make attention harvesting less effective)
* ban surveillance advertising (might be doable, seeing that the industry blatantly violates every privacy legislation, including GDPR).Sure also, when a database is queried,: only return the exact string with no 'suggestions'. in fact no suggestions ever at all.
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