Ban flavoured vapes now, anti-smoking groups urge Carney’s government - National | Globalnews.ca
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This line of argumentation is deranged.
Dude’s treating people like inhuman scum for *checks notes* preventing childhood addiction, but sure, the problem is calling out that behavior.
edit: Chickened out of a cliche “go outside” to lob the word deranged at the fact tobacco companies already did this once. Not at the frothing emotional-shortcut insults and dreams of a big boot.
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Nicotine is somewhat addictive. It’s not that bad on its own. Quitting nicotine vapes was about as hard as quitting caffeine for me.
I believe in an adult’s right to choose, and harm reduction. The government isn’t here to tell us what’s morally right and wrong, it’s here to define our rights and privileges. It’s fine to restrict where one can smoke or vape because that involves other people. I think it’s a waste of government resources to try and tell people what they “ought” to be doing with their own bodies (because they will never succeed, and it’s not their job.)
Harm reduction means preventing addiction. Flavored tobacco products have always been about getting people addicted early - because that’s when it works. That’s when this highly addictive drug creates dependency. Especially if taken in high doses with rapid absorption… which is downright pleasant, if it tastes like candy, instead of licking an ashtray.
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
What, like you can’t buy vodka and orange juice at the same time?
These things are not comparable. They do not function the same way.
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Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It’s not a great argument, but it’s not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren’t necessary for the smoker to switch.
Why would vaping have to lead to smoking for nicotine addiction to be bad?
Going from smoking to vaping is a massive improvement. Basically zero downsides.
Starting a nicotine addiction is still detrimental to your health.
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Imo if vaping is just meant just for the nicotine fix then yeah ban all flavored Vapes and just leave the unflavored ones.
If it is supposed to be fun child enticing air candy then maybe you need to check your morals and invent a better product and we ban all nicotine from the market altogether.
I tried flavored vapes without nicotine once. I quickly lost interest.
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
would wine (the drink and cooking ingredient) be considered flavoured?
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Dude’s treating people like inhuman scum for *checks notes* preventing childhood addiction, but sure, the problem is calling out that behavior.
edit: Chickened out of a cliche “go outside” to lob the word deranged at the fact tobacco companies already did this once. Not at the frothing emotional-shortcut insults and dreams of a big boot.
If laws force me to vape unflavored propylene glycol, I will buy cigarettes again. Tobacco companies know this.
This isn’t just about kids and stop using kids as your fucking moral shield for every limitation you put on adults.
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Holy fuck I hate you nanny staters.
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Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
I think there is a big difference in the appeal of vapes to younger audiences when we account for the flavors. Tobacco and other boring flavors are great for quiting. An arrary of sweet and fruity flavors make people want to try more flavors and also vape more frequently because the brain is itching for that hit of sweetness as well as hits of nicotine.
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They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.
Grey market is king, I’ve seen a 3000mg edible. Sadly I didn’t have a week off work so I couldn’t buy it…
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Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature
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There’s an easy solution here: anyone born after 2007 is hereby banned from purchasing nicotine, period.
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Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.
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Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature
Ive seen a single use vape that has a touch screen on it and you can connect to your phone. What a colossal waste of resources.
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I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.
It’s not that I “can’t fathom” it as that I know that it’s complete snd total bullshit.
Tobacco companies didn’t invent vsping - ordinary people did. And tobacco companies didn’t originate the idea of flavoring it - the same ordinary people did. We did it because we prefer it that way.
And then years later, some bunch of self-righteous twats who know absolutely nothing about yhe actial history of ot come stumbling along and start blathering a bunch of fucking nonsense about the evil tobacvo companies flavoring juice to enticevkids.
Motherfucker - I was flavoring juice myself when tobacco companies didn’t even know vaping existed - when it was just a handful of people on a forum experimenting with attaching homemade nichrome coils to modified flashlights.
So don’t fucking presume to tell me what I can or can’t “fathom.”
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If laws force me to vape unflavored propylene glycol, I will buy cigarettes again. Tobacco companies know this.
This isn’t just about kids and stop using kids as your fucking moral shield for every limitation you put on adults.
This is entirely about kids. Nobody gives a shit about smokers who switched to vaping - even the US FDA almost endorsed vaping, because of how much better that is!
Why the fuck would you switch back to something that tastes even worse, costs a lot more, and physically hurts?
The only problem with vaping is that it got kids hooked on nicotine. Two generations barely acknowledged cigarettes. But suddenly you can get pack-a-day dosages that taste like birthday cake, and wow hey look at those schoolchildren blow fat clouds. Who could have seen this coming? Tobacco companies, that’s who saw it coming, because they did it on purpose. Again. Same as when they flavored cigarettes. Stopping that helped us almost wipe out smoking.
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A similar point to be made, we tried this style of legislation in Australia.
Under the guise this was for the publics interest, the only ‘legal’ vapes you can buy in the country now are manufactured by Phillip Morris International and other big tobacco companies.
The blackmarket continues to thrive and with it organised crime grows, have yet to see a pharmacy that stocks ‘legal’ vapes.
Police in my local area are either paid off or get black market tobacco products for free to turn a blind eye to this issue, can’t imagine thats limited to my area only.
I’m all for regulation around nicotine products but I sure as shit wouldn’t trust a pollie to make decent legislation around it at this point in time.
Huh.
I thought about going into all of that, but at this point in the US it’s still mostly speculative, since they haven’t gotten the bans in place yet, and these pretentios fucksticks would never believe it anyway.
I didn’t know that it’s actually happened in Australia. That’s unfortunate, but it’ll provide me with an example in the future.
It’s a fairly standard corporate move though. The biggest corporations lobby for a bunch of restrictions and requirements on their own industry because they’re in a position to meet them, but they’ll serve as a barrier to entry for potential competition.
So it’s possible - arguably even likely - that these self-righteous asshats crying about the evil tobacco companies are actially effectively (or even literally) working for those very companies.
Which is just another reason why I have nothing but scorn and disdain for them.
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would wine (the drink and cooking ingredient) be considered flavoured?
Yes.
Only pure alcohol is allowed.
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I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.
Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh
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It’s not that I “can’t fathom” it as that I know that it’s complete snd total bullshit.
Tobacco companies didn’t invent vsping - ordinary people did. And tobacco companies didn’t originate the idea of flavoring it - the same ordinary people did. We did it because we prefer it that way.
And then years later, some bunch of self-righteous twats who know absolutely nothing about yhe actial history of ot come stumbling along and start blathering a bunch of fucking nonsense about the evil tobacvo companies flavoring juice to enticevkids.
Motherfucker - I was flavoring juice myself when tobacco companies didn’t even know vaping existed - when it was just a handful of people on a forum experimenting with attaching homemade nichrome coils to modified flashlights.
So don’t fucking presume to tell me what I can or can’t “fathom.”
So, if can only assume that you don’t believe tobacco companies did the other things they did because North Americans were growing, drying, and smoking tobacco for thousands of years before those companies came into existence.
Everything you described is what happens when niche hobbies become mainstream. That doesn’t mean malicious organizations can’t see the potential for profit and engage in predatory practices. And it doesn’t mean that something that wasn’t particularly harmful to society can’t become harmful when it goes from a niche activity to something mainstream and commercialized.
Care to explain how your vaping experience would be lessened if the device didn’t look like a children’s toy? Or why they should be allowed to be advertised on TV? Also mentioned in those links, about 15% of youths vape with unflavored products. If they can do it these days, I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it, too.
