Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature

There’s an easy solution here: anyone born after 2007 is hereby banned from purchasing nicotine, period.

I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.

Ive seen a single use vape that has a touch screen on it and you can connect to your phone. What a colossal waste of resources.

It’s not that I “can’t fathom” it as that I know that it’s complete snd total bullshit.

Tobacco companies didn’t invent vsping - ordinary people did. And tobacco companies didn’t originate the idea of flavoring it - the same ordinary people did. We did it because we prefer it that way.

And then years later, some bunch of self-righteous twats who know absolutely nothing about yhe actial history of ot come stumbling along and start blathering a bunch of fucking nonsense about the evil tobacvo companies flavoring juice to enticevkids.

Motherfucker - I was flavoring juice myself when tobacco companies didn’t even know vaping existed - when it was just a handful of people on a forum experimenting with attaching homemade nichrome coils to modified flashlights.

So don’t fucking presume to tell me what I can or can’t “fathom.”

This is entirely about kids. Nobody gives a shit about smokers who switched to vaping - even the US FDA almost endorsed vaping, because of how much better that is!

Why the fuck would you switch back to something that tastes even worse, costs a lot more, and physically hurts?

The only problem with vaping is that it got kids hooked on nicotine. Two generations barely acknowledged cigarettes. But suddenly you can get pack-a-day dosages that taste like birthday cake, and wow hey look at those schoolchildren blow fat clouds. Who could have seen this coming? Tobacco companies, that’s who saw it coming, because they did it on purpose. Again. Same as when they flavored cigarettes. Stopping that helped us almost wipe out smoking.

Huh.

I thought about going into all of that, but at this point in the US it’s still mostly speculative, since they haven’t gotten the bans in place yet, and these pretentios fucksticks would never believe it anyway.

I didn’t know that it’s actually happened in Australia. That’s unfortunate, but it’ll provide me with an example in the future.

It’s a fairly standard corporate move though. The biggest corporations lobby for a bunch of restrictions and requirements on their own industry because they’re in a position to meet them, but they’ll serve as a barrier to entry for potential competition.

So it’s possible - arguably even likely - that these self-righteous asshats crying about the evil tobacco companies are actially effectively (or even literally) working for those very companies.

Which is just another reason why I have nothing but scorn and disdain for them.

Yes.

Only pure alcohol is allowed.

I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.

Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh

So, if can only assume that you don’t believe tobacco companies did the other things they did because North Americans were growing, drying, and smoking tobacco for thousands of years before those companies came into existence.

Everything you described is what happens when niche hobbies become mainstream. That doesn’t mean malicious organizations can’t see the potential for profit and engage in predatory practices. And it doesn’t mean that something that wasn’t particularly harmful to society can’t become harmful when it goes from a niche activity to something mainstream and commercialized.

Care to explain how your vaping experience would be lessened if the device didn’t look like a children’s toy? Or why they should be allowed to be advertised on TV? Also mentioned in those links, about 15% of youths vape with unflavored products. If they can do it these days, I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it, too.

Damn, no more mint mouthwash

I don’t think this would apply to mixing.

I mean nobody is going to ban buying a pregnancy test at the same time as a clothes hanger.

LOL

Libel? For an assessment of toxic, pretentious self-righteousness?

That’s just about the most delicious irony I’ve ever encountered.

We did it because we prefer it that way.

And then the people whose evils you’re screeching about monetized the shit out of it, specifically to hook children.

Again.

The industry is not “a handful of people on a forum,” anymore. Elementary schools have anti-vaping policies. The thing you keep calling people monsters for talking about, actually fucking happened.

‘You’re secretly jerking off about abusing power!’ is pretty fucking defamatory, yes. You spat a pile of essentialist name-calling to make shit up about the moustache-twirling evil of… acknowledging that kids vape.

Should I respond in kind by insisting you’re actually a vaping industry shill with a sob story and some sockpuppets? Because that’s the level of discourse you’re glibly engaged in.

Separate laws are intolerable.

The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here’s how it happened …

On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it’s pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof … but not so easy to make tanks childproof.

Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).

It didn’t take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables … which kids can afford and often have access to.

So instead of fixing the current laws the gov’t has instead decided to add to them … leading to restrictions on flavours.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Wait, they’re trying to ban flavoring but still allowing Mint? Last I checked, Mint was quite a popular ice cream flavor.

That’s an absolute.

And also from a children’s movie.