Ah… that’s right - I left out “sanctimonious.”

@WatDabney @themeatbridge

You got it right!

I went from Skoal to those home-brew vape juices when...about 2010 or 11. Hardly vaped, just put it on a pad under my lip.

Hated the taste of burning cigarettes, loved some of those fruit flavours. Finally my drug tasted good. Flavour for an old man, not the kids.

Quit 3 years ago and still crave. Horrible time. Quit alcohol 15 years ago with less problems. But quitting is just terrible, no matter the drug.

Somebody who hasn't struggled with addiction doesn't get much cred in these discussions, from me.

Oh I’m sorry, should we treat your violent fantasies as an actionable threat?

Calling people big meanie doo-doo-heads makes a dry reading difficult.

I didn’t call anyone a big mean doo-doo-head.

I called anti-vaping crusaders, among other things, “toxic assholes - vile, loathsome, uncaring pieces of shit who hide behind an ill-fitting mask of health advocacy to feed their own pathetic and destructive need for self-affirmation through self-righteousness.”

And I meant and mean every single, carefully chosen word of it. That’s not just a random insult hurled in someone’s general direction, but a very deliberate and carefully considered description of what I’ve come to see as defining characteristics of a particularly noxious and loathsome group of people.

@otters_raft

What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?

All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.

So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.

At this point the political will just dies.

If they want to ban flavored vapes, they’re not “anti-smoking” groups - they’re anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.

@otters_raft

What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?

All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.

So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.

At this point the political will just dies.

Libel tends to be deliberate, yes. You’re inventing motive and projecting it as hard as you can.

While calling for physical violence. If that’s not just banter, please eat a ban.

Meanwhile: flavored cigarettes had this same damn argument, for the same damn reason. You know addiction is hell - why don’t you care enough about stopping new addicts, to put up with nicotine that tastes like nicotine?

This line of argumentation is deranged.

Nicotine is somewhat addictive. It’s not that bad on its own. Quitting nicotine vapes was about as hard as quitting caffeine for me.

I believe in an adult’s right to choose, and harm reduction. The government isn’t here to tell us what’s morally right and wrong, it’s here to define our rights and privileges. It’s fine to restrict where one can smoke or vape because that involves other people. I think it’s a waste of government resources to try and tell people what they “ought” to be doing with their own bodies (because they will never succeed, and it’s not their job.)

If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol

Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It’s not a great argument, but it’s not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren’t necessary for the smoker to switch.

Imo if vaping is just meant just for the nicotine fix then yeah ban all flavored Vapes and just leave the unflavored ones.

If it is supposed to be fun child enticing air candy then maybe you need to check your morals and invent a better product and we ban all nicotine from the market altogether.

If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol

Dude’s treating people like inhuman scum for *checks notes* preventing childhood addiction, but sure, the problem is calling out that behavior.

edit: Chickened out of a cliche “go outside” to lob the word deranged at the fact tobacco companies already did this once. Not at the frothing emotional-shortcut insults and dreams of a big boot.

Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.

This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.

After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.

They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.