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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

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  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

    When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

    Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

    We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

    I find that profoundly shameful.

    Alfa5A This user is from outside of this forum
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    @randahl Ucrania y luego ha llegado Mr. Trump y la geopolítica mundial ha cambiado radilcamente. La guerra de Putin contra Ucrania pasó a ser una guerra de tanques y se ha convertido en una guerra de drones y puso sobre la mesa las debilidades de Europa más allá de su músculo económico.
    La UE necesita nuevos actores políticos, el pueblo ruso debe hacérselo mirar y los aliados de Rusia como Irán, China e India no han contribuído mucho.
    Han pasado muchas cosas desde el comienzo de la guerra ...

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

      I find that profoundly shameful.

      caravantravellers 🌈C This user is from outside of this forum
      caravantravellers 🌈C This user is from outside of this forum
      caravantravellers 🌈
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      #16

      @randahl

      30 sanction packages should have been one, a comprehensive one. And Russian shadow fleet ships can still pass by Denmark into the North Sea.

      What a shame!

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

        Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

        We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

        I find that profoundly shameful.

        sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉS This user is from outside of this forum
        sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @randahl If I look at this in the only area I have any expertise, it’s clear that Europe’s war machine doesn’t run without US tech.

        And currently, the US is significantly puppeteered by rus interests in this thing, it seems to me?

        Not a good technical base to stand on, confronting the rus.

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

          Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

          We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

          I find that profoundly shameful.

          RavongesR This user is from outside of this forum
          RavongesR This user is from outside of this forum
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          @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

          Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

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          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

            When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

            Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

            We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

            I find that profoundly shameful.

            M This user is from outside of this forum
            M This user is from outside of this forum
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            @randahl The World is currently playing Putin's War. On his terms.

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            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

              When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

              Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

              We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

              I find that profoundly shameful.

              Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
              Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
              Ag. V.
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              @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                I find that profoundly shameful.

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                @randahl how can we? And why, esp. UK and USA, didn't we at the very beginning of the war, when Russia and Ukraine were leading the according talks pretty successfully themselves?

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                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                  When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                  Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                  We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                  I find that profoundly shameful.

                  Berna van VilsterenB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #22

                  @randahl Couldn't agree more! Let the people of Ukraine suffer so we can do business as usual :-((and EU leaders still dare to call that solidarity.)

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                  • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                    @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

                    Ben Royce 🇺🇦B This user is from outside of this forum
                    Ben Royce 🇺🇦B This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @aguVV @randahl

                    so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                    it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                    and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                    do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                    🤪

                    do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                    no you don't

                    you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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                    • Ben Royce 🇺🇦B Ben Royce 🇺🇦

                      @aguVV @randahl

                      so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                      it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                      and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                      do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                      🤪

                      do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                      no you don't

                      you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

                      Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ag. V.
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                      @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

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                      • RavongesR Ravonges

                        @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

                        Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

                        Ben Royce 🇺🇦B This user is from outside of this forum
                        Ben Royce 🇺🇦B This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @Ravonges @randahl

                        if russia nukes europe moscow ceases to exist in an equivalent nuclear hellfire. so russia won't nuke europe

                        and europeans aren't just going to end themselves as you wish, vatnik

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