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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

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  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

    When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

    Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

    We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

    I find that profoundly shameful.

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    @randahl how can we? And why, esp. UK and USA, didn't we at the very beginning of the war, when Russia and Ukraine were leading the according talks pretty successfully themselves?

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

      I find that profoundly shameful.

      Berna van VilsterenB This user is from outside of this forum
      Berna van VilsterenB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @randahl Couldn't agree more! Let the people of Ukraine suffer so we can do business as usual :-((and EU leaders still dare to call that solidarity.)

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      • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

        @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B This user is from outside of this forum
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        @aguVV @randahl

        so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

        it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

        and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

        do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

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        do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

        no you don't

        you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

          @aguVV @randahl

          so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

          it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

          and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

          do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

          πŸ€ͺ

          do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

          no you don't

          you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

          Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
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          @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

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          • RavongesR Ravonges

            @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

            Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

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            @Ravonges @randahl

            if russia nukes europe moscow ceases to exist in an equivalent nuclear hellfire. so russia won't nuke europe

            and europeans aren't just going to end themselves as you wish, vatnik

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