@Taskerland you are Trad for OSR gamers but OSR to Ess John xd

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@Printdevil @Taskerland I once lost a trove of Polish RPG data because my hard drive said goodbye and I got scammed by a company that was supposed to fix it and never got it back. Now I keep thing in at least two devices at once. And some as physical stuff

@vdonnut I'm not really OSR... I was drawn to NSR stuff because it is rules-light and pays lip-service to the ideas of simulationism but I think either that window has closed or I imagined it being open in the first place.

With regards to EssJay, I think we are broadly aligned on practice (not surprising, Risus was my go-to game for years) if not on rhetoric.

I suspect if he ever puts out a list of high-trust adventures, I'd enjoy them more than I do modern OSR ones.

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@Taskerland I ran games with no connection to the broader hobby for a decade. Going online never came with the expectation that anyone else's games might be similar.

The only mistake is searching for the truth of what games were like for 'Generation X, decade Y, system Z'. Those truths are American fables.

@vdonnut @Printdevil @Taskerland this reminds me that I really need to back up my external drives again

I think important RPG information should tattooed on Rod Steiger

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@Taskerland @Printdevil no, I tried to move the case through official channels and had engaged "consumer ombudsman" - translator tells me i this is how they call it in your lands?

In the end the procedure was so complex and bureaucratic that I stopped at some point. Some pictures and documents were lost but it was a really bad time for me on many levels and I just couldn't engage in something requiring this much thought and energy. I just bashed them in every social media I had at the moment xd

I'd never use a recovery service here, there isn't a single one of my drives that wouldn't get me done for "possessing information likely to be of use to..."

And the PSNI love a quota.

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Youtube is awash with radicalised opinion froth about games.

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@Taskerland I'm split down the middle. In many cases I like trad with GM (although I don't like adversarial GMs, but rather prefer facilitator of even collaborative ones). I agree that overall I like rules-light (or at least rules-consistent: C&S5 is not rules **light** but it has two, very simple to describe, core mechanisms to learn instead of dozens) over rules-heavy/inconsistent because nothing drags me out of character faster than rolling endless dice and consulting endless tables.

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@Taskerland But, too, I sometimes find the simulationist/trad world a bit stifling in terms of actually getting an interesting story out of them. So even in those games I like having some form of metaprocedure (like the best-named "ass-saver points" from CORPS at minimum).

And I'm unabashedly a fan of games like the FU-derived ones, or FATE or the Spark-derived ones.

But I can't stand the PbtA/FitD/whatever ones, both from what I can understand of the design and for the paired culture.

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@Taskerland @vdonnut I could not find a coherent definition of what NSR even meant, to be honest.

Moreau Vazh What I find really fascinating about this is the endemic belief among TTRPG fans who know that multiple systems exist, that those systems are built for specific styles or genres of play. 5e and Pathfinder for high fantasy “crunchy” play, KitD and Dungeon World for “narrative” play, and OSR for dark,edgy, gritty play. The idea of a generic system seems to be reserved for GURPS enthusiasts.

Modern players conflate system with setting and aesthetic to such a high degree, it’s kind of paralyzing.

Moreau Vazh It’s a bizarre cognitive divorcing of play preference from play choices. I’ve heard people say things like “OSR is super deadly, so you need to avoid combat”, when how deadly combat is is entirely a function of what the GM chooses to make you fight, and how they choose to play out the combat. Similarly, I’ve seen people tell curious new folks that PF2e isn’t for them if they like roleplaying, because it’s just a combat game with a thin veneer of the fantasy genre (while also complaining about how much page space is dedicated to non-combat material). But, like, 5e seems to become “OSR” really quickly if you smother it in black paint, print an opinionated guideline for combats, and hype it on YouTube, and OSR becomes extremely crunchy if you slap a Goodman Game’s logo on it and pepper in some werewolves or whatever.

Yet no one seems to be willing to admit that their games play out the way that they do because of their choices at the table, not their choices at the book store.