Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder and panopticon architect Peter Thiel
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Imagine allowing your social life to be paywalled by a billionaire.
No wonder they just keep trying to fuck us, a whole bunch of people are on their knees with their mouths open.
You want me to move to some open source bullshit that nobody uses? For what? If there’s a better alternative than discord sure.
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Am I supposed to bookmark the website on Android to use Movim?
It’s a PWA, so you should be able to open your browser menu and click ‘add to homescreen’ to make it feel more like a dedicated app.
There are also dedicated XMPP apps for Android and iOS that aren’t yet as full-featured as Movim, but are still compatible with the parts that are implemented (usually all the texting and calling parts, but maybe not video or screensharing).
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Dude I just spent 10 mins trying to get the thing to let me make an account. It kept saying my username didn’t fit the format requirements, but then didn’t tell me what the format requirements were.
Try creating an account here, then use that login to log into the Movim (you can use any XMPP/Jabber account created anywhere to log into any open Movim instance, similar to how any Lemmy user can use their account to login to the Photon front-end).
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fuck discord
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The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.
Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).
For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609
That first video is utterly unwatchable holy shit.
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This? https://matrixrooms.info/ I don’t use it myself, didn’t use Matrix for a long time now.
Terrible app, I wish I hadn’t entered. There’s all kinds of filth. Really, the very second I entered, someone asked me something very bad, I don’t want to say
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The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.
Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).
For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609
iirc OMEMO doesn’t scale well compared to Megolm for large communities
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No loss. I got talked into joining a Discord group and hated everything about it.
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And listen, I know people harp on this a lot, but it’s a company literally named after an orb that lets the most evil force in the world spy on your thoughts.
Minor nitpick from a LotR nerd - that’s not how the Palantíri work. But I suppose that’s not really all that important considering the real topic at hand here.
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They should’ve just declared bankruptcy and reformed a new media organization, then pre emptively sued thiel with their own slaap suits.
Why does no one hit these epstein level billionaires back with lawsuits? We should be burying them. We should’ve been fundraising to sponsor lawsuits for people they have cheated, the president for his contractors he hasn’t paid for instance, those that haven’t already settled after he sued them after cheating them. Thiel likewise. We could have bake sales, we could sponsor events, like runs, 20 dollars for a local race to go to suing these guys for real perversions of justice. There are a lot of possibilities.
We need our own forums, social media is hooked by these people, so they would shut that stuff down if tried now. We need new federated social media, with clear and fair enforcement of rules, both in the instances and the main forum(s) such as appeals that culminate in jury trials of members of that instance/forum for violations.
Because with a fair enforcement system we would get the exodus from social media and get critical mass, as social media is selling out to the administration more every day, confident that people have no where else to go. In fact homeland security has sent a raft of "administrative subpoenas to social media, fb, twitter, reddit, for details on people critical of ICE, CBP, etc., for personal details on the users, and reddit and the rest said they mostly complied. Not seemingly telling the users so it can be challenged.
Social media gave up, they gave us up. We have no where else to go and will be locked down in a rigged system. Let’s make them wrong about that.
Because I don’t think you fully grasp just how much money a single billion dollars is, much less dozens or hundreds of billions. They have legions of people on payroll whose sole job is to make problems go away
They have limitless piles of money with which to tank anything plebs or businesses can throw at them in a courtroom.
You could fundraise and every single person in America could donate $10 and you’d still only have $3.4B. Thiel’s estimated at 24ish billion. Also consider that at least 1/3 of Americans are actively sinking for this dystopian hellscape.
There is nothing anyone is going to be able to do in a courtroom against billionaires.
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Download Element.io, create an acount, create your space and rooms, invite your friends.
Leave this fucking mess that’s called discord
And after trying it, if you want to see what alternative client apps have to offer, you can find them here.
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Imagine allowing your social life to be paywalled by a billionaire.
No wonder they just keep trying to fuck us, a whole bunch of people are on their knees with their mouths open.
Imagine your social life being entirely online.
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Created an account on Stoat and Matrix. So far I prefer Stoat as it’s easier and more intuitive to use.
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Are you using a VPN?
That shouldn’t factor in any way with web tech just as the color of my underwear doesn’t.
I agree, but sometimes certain VPN’s can be blocked if they are often used by bots, such as free VPN’s. Just thought I’d ask to see if I could narrow down what could be happening (since it works fine on my end, even with a VPN).
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iirc OMEMO doesn’t scale well compared to Megolm for large communities
I’ve had very consistant issues with messages not decrypting on Matrix with Megolm, and it’s known for leaking a lot of metadata. I’m also not a fan of the Matrix foundation heavily courting law enforcement and getting funded by Israel. I know it’s open-source, but combined with the problems I’ve faced using, the fact that the self-hosting side mostly targets enterprise use, and the heavy resource usage of Matrix when self-hosting, I personally think XMPP is the better option currently.
OMEMO is structured similarly to Signal’s encryption. It probably doesn’t scale up super well to like, 10,000+ users, but OMEMO can be turned off for super large channels where encryption might not be needed, and turned on for smaller groups where privacy is desired or between friends.
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I’ve had very consistant issues with messages not decrypting on Matrix with Megolm, and it’s known for leaking a lot of metadata. I’m also not a fan of the Matrix foundation heavily courting law enforcement and getting funded by Israel. I know it’s open-source, but combined with the problems I’ve faced using, the fact that the self-hosting side mostly targets enterprise use, and the heavy resource usage of Matrix when self-hosting, I personally think XMPP is the better option currently.
OMEMO is structured similarly to Signal’s encryption. It probably doesn’t scale up super well to like, 10,000+ users, but OMEMO can be turned off for super large channels where encryption might not be needed, and turned on for smaller groups where privacy is desired or between friends.
the Matrix foundation heavily courting law enforcement and getting funded by Israel
Try taking your head out of your arse for five seconds and bring minimal evidence when you make accusations like that lol
It probably doesn’t scale up super well to like, 10,000+ users
So you’re confirming my point, you could have refrained from making a fool of yourself
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Created an account on Stoat and Matrix. So far I prefer Stoat as it’s easier and more intuitive to use.
Stoat is centralized and has no e2ee
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the Matrix foundation heavily courting law enforcement and getting funded by Israel
Try taking your head out of your arse for five seconds and bring minimal evidence when you make accusations like that lol
It probably doesn’t scale up super well to like, 10,000+ users
So you’re confirming my point, you could have refrained from making a fool of yourself
Not sure why you’re responding with that amount of hostility, I don’t feel I did anything to warrant it?
Matrix’s creation and development for the first 3 years was funded by Amdocs, as evidenced on the Matrix.org website itself:
How is Matrix[.]org funded? For the first three years of Matrix’s development (2014-2017), most of the core contributors worked for Amdocs, who paid for them to work fulltime on Matrix. In July 2017, Amdocs considered the project to be sufficiently successful that it could now self-support and so stopped funding. The majority of the core team is now employed by Element, an independent company set up to hire the team and support Matrix’s development. Other contributors are funded by their own employers or donate their own time to the project.
Amdocs is a telecom company that was founded in Israel, and later went on to run much of the US’s telecom infrastructure. It has long been suspected to be involved in espionage for the Israeli government.
One of their revenue streams is providing their services to law enforcement, as they admit to here, which I’m not particularly comfortable with, personally.
So you’re confirming my point
When I say 10,000+, I mean it may not scale to encrypting that amount of people in a single room, not that the service itself cannot scale beyond that. Due to its distributed nature, it can avoid being bogged down by having many thousands of users, but if 10,000 people all tried to go into a single encrypted room where all those messages would have to be sent all at once, that room would, I assume, bog down. That’s an insanely unlikely situation to ever occur, as any public server that could grow to that size would not have encryption turned on anyway (and Discord itself, the thing we’re trying to replace, doesn’t have any encryption at all).
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Not sure why you’re responding with that amount of hostility, I don’t feel I did anything to warrant it?
Matrix’s creation and development for the first 3 years was funded by Amdocs, as evidenced on the Matrix.org website itself:
How is Matrix[.]org funded? For the first three years of Matrix’s development (2014-2017), most of the core contributors worked for Amdocs, who paid for them to work fulltime on Matrix. In July 2017, Amdocs considered the project to be sufficiently successful that it could now self-support and so stopped funding. The majority of the core team is now employed by Element, an independent company set up to hire the team and support Matrix’s development. Other contributors are funded by their own employers or donate their own time to the project.
Amdocs is a telecom company that was founded in Israel, and later went on to run much of the US’s telecom infrastructure. It has long been suspected to be involved in espionage for the Israeli government.
One of their revenue streams is providing their services to law enforcement, as they admit to here, which I’m not particularly comfortable with, personally.
So you’re confirming my point
When I say 10,000+, I mean it may not scale to encrypting that amount of people in a single room, not that the service itself cannot scale beyond that. Due to its distributed nature, it can avoid being bogged down by having many thousands of users, but if 10,000 people all tried to go into a single encrypted room where all those messages would have to be sent all at once, that room would, I assume, bog down. That’s an insanely unlikely situation to ever occur, as any public server that could grow to that size would not have encryption turned on anyway (and Discord itself, the thing we’re trying to replace, doesn’t have any encryption at all).
Because I know exactly who I’m dealing with here, that’s gross misinformation.
Congrats you’ve found where it was founded, now it’s an independent non-profit. What’s wrong with you?
https://matrix.org/blog/2025/06/dispelling-mythsThen you’re mixing out Element with Matrix, alleging they provide services to law enforcement. Not the same thing my friend, if you have a problem with Element, fine, then get another client. What’s the problem?
You’re just proving my point again on scalability, get off the keyboard lol
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Because I know exactly who I’m dealing with here, that’s gross misinformation.
Congrats you’ve found where it was founded, now it’s an independent non-profit. What’s wrong with you?
https://matrix.org/blog/2025/06/dispelling-mythsThen you’re mixing out Element with Matrix, alleging they provide services to law enforcement. Not the same thing my friend, if you have a problem with Element, fine, then get another client. What’s the problem?
You’re just proving my point again on scalability, get off the keyboard lol
You’re response amounts to “Okay, so what if it was created and funded by an Israeli company known for espionage? They spun it off into a non-profit, which somehow removes any connection between those two things now.”
As to Element, they are, in their own words, made up of ex-Matrix Staff.
They’re legally distinct entities if that matters, but they’re still from the same likely compromised institution.
If you like Matrix and find absolutely nothing concerning about the connections of the two most influential entities in that space, than by all means, carry on.
For myself, I’ll stick with XMPP or Deltachat.
