What the actual fuck?
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@clock @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart A citizen's next of kin may argue this in court. The argument has merit.
That citizen will still be dead, however.
@grumble209 @clock @huntingdon Yep, that’s the thing. ”Legality” is totally out the window regarding any ICE behaviour, they just do as they please and everyone else suffers the consequences.
Legality is only relevant with enforcement behind it, and enforcement is based on human networks, it’s not some abstract thing. To quote Foucault: ”[…] the State can only operate on the basis of other, already existing power structures”.
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@grumble209 @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart
You can't know that the citizen will be dead.
@clock @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart It's a safe bet that if you raise a gun to ICE, they won't stop shooting until you are dead. But even if you somehow survive, you will still be arrested and you will die in custody. This is America's new reality, and it has nothing at all to do with noble laws in dusty books.
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@clock @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart It's a safe bet that if you raise a gun to ICE, they won't stop shooting until you are dead. But even if you somehow survive, you will still be arrested and you will die in custody. This is America's new reality, and it has nothing at all to do with noble laws in dusty books.
@grumble209 @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart your claim doesn't contain any actual reference.
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@grumble209 @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart your claim doesn't contain any actual reference.
@clock @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart May your memory be a blessing.
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
@VisualStuart
Is the 'immigration agreement' so that natives will hand over any immigrants who try to flee to the reservations?Do natives get to decide who lives on the reservations? Would someone need papers to live on a reservation?
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
@VisualStuart "immigration agreement?"
We had those in place with the Oglala Sioux over 150 years ago.
They concerned OUR white "immigration" (invasion) into THEIR land.
We broke every goddamn one of them.
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@ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart the only effective means to stop them are physics!
- The #2A exists precisely to stop on the #AmericanGestapo!
Why ain't people freeing those #US #citizens?
- Do all those that look away believe they'll be spared??
@kkarhan @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart NRA headquarters needs to have a nice raid at their headquarters in northern Virginia. Their cleaning people will bail in large numbers and they can fuckin' take out their own trash.
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@kkarhan @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart NRA headquarters needs to have a nice raid at their headquarters in northern Virginia. Their cleaning people will bail in large numbers and they can fuckin' take out their own trash.
@the_turtle @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart not to mention the #NRA really are #bootlickers who only seem to have #TokenMembers of marginalized grouping.
- No wounder most folks I know either are #SRA members or would like to join them!
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
Department of White Security is a terrorist organization.
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@the_turtle @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart not to mention the #NRA really are #bootlickers who only seem to have #TokenMembers of marginalized grouping.
- No wounder most folks I know either are #SRA members or would like to join them!
@kkarhan @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart the astonishing silence from the "good guys with guns" is kind of amusing, now that it turns out the big threat isn't brown people from South America or Africa, it's an orange guy from Queens who is only about 25 miles away.
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@mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
In my region, it wasn't GESTAPO who murdered concentration camp inmates who had managed to flee from Mauthausen in 1945, it was SS and Hitlerjugend boys and other locals.
(And they also went from door to door).@Mab_813 @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
Before we go splitting hairs, please keep in mind conservatives have been systematically attacking our educational system since the mid-50s, and a lot of people wouldn't know who the Hitlerjungend were. Shit, many of us don't even know our OWN history. They whitewashed the hell out of it. We never learned about the Trail of Tears or Tulsa Massacre, and I was born in 1960.
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@VisualStuart “Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.””
The heck kind of agreement?
"Let us invade your sovereignty and yank anyone we want out off your land for any reason and we'll give you those three people back. Maybe. Or not. We'll get back to you."
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@TrimTab @VisualStuart historically the people vote for whoever promises copius looting opportunities from pillaging the undesirables. unfortunately there's a viscous rumour going around the green party plans to pay out in trump coins instead of dhs contracts so they don't get any love at the polls. lettuce for everyone #votegreen
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@kkarhan @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart the astonishing silence from the "good guys with guns" is kind of amusing, now that it turns out the big threat isn't brown people from South America or Africa, it's an orange guy from Queens who is only about 25 miles away.
@the_turtle @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart obviously the #NRA is part of the problem and their #SilenceIsConsent!
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@VisualStuart this is kidnapping.
@calbearo@convo.casa Not to be rude, but have you actually been paying attention? They've been kidnapping and abusing people for a while now for no real reason, just making one up to justify it.
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
@VisualStuart@pdx.social So where did they immigrate from?
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
@VisualStuart This is unacceptable.
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@Mab_813 @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
Before we go splitting hairs, please keep in mind conservatives have been systematically attacking our educational system since the mid-50s, and a lot of people wouldn't know who the Hitlerjungend were. Shit, many of us don't even know our OWN history. They whitewashed the hell out of it. We never learned about the Trail of Tears or Tulsa Massacre, and I was born in 1960.
@Oma_Trisha_F @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
Oh sure, no one can be expected to know that sort of details about some other country's history!
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What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.
Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
AP News (apnews.com)
@VisualStuart What's the "Immigration agreement" going to look like?
We, The ICE thugs, hereby admit that our ancestors immigrated to the US and invaded your land by force and are therefore going to deport ourselves back to where we came.from. Mostly ireland, england and germany.
Folks! TBH: We don't want you back! Go take the next SS Atlantic!
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@Oma_Trisha_F @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
Oh sure, no one can be expected to know that sort of details about some other country's history!
@Mab_813 @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart
I know a lot because 1) I've always been fascinated with history and had a real thing for learning about the Holocaust -- not morbid curiosity, but more wonder about how a group of people could be so convinced so much wrong was right.....
...and 2) my second husband's parents were both Mischling, living in a suburb of Berlin during WWII, allowed to survive because his dad was a master mechanic. They came here in 1952. 1/2
