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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • David GerardD David Gerard

    @cstross 3dfx inspired, right?

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    Michael Kohne
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    @davidgerard @cstross Sounds like a mix of the Laundry's 'residual assets' is it? With Max Gladstone's stuff. Neat!

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      Shaun Murrant (☕🧉🍻🏳️‍🌈)P This user is from outside of this forum
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      Shaun Murrant (☕🧉🍻🏳️‍🌈)
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      #38

      @cstross I think that was the point of the original Haitian zombie myth. Slavery continues, even after death.

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      • LordWoolamalooL LordWoolamaloo

        @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

        Tarah WheelerT This user is from outside of this forum
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        Tarah Wheeler
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        #39

        @LordWoolamaloo @cstross came here to say this.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE 🔶A This user is from outside of this forum
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          Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE 🔶
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          @cstross
          There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

            Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​M This user is from outside of this forum
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            #41

            @cstross ah, a fantasy version of RoboCop

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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              RedMeepleRyan 🎲🦯
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              #42

              @cstross Just when you thought you were out, iteas for a Laundry Files anthology pull you back in. *chuckles darkly* 🙂

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              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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                @Infoseepage @cstross Also Torchwood "Miracle Day" on TV.

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                • Human Ass EthenesH Human Ass Ethenes

                  @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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                  @HmFons @cstross

                  Came here to say this.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                    ThePdogT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    ThePdog
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                    #45

                    @cstross Great concept. Maybe after you finish your sequel?

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                      Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Madeleine Morris
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                      @cstross I like it. It's got legs!

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                        #47

                        @cstross While this idea is quite different, for some reason it reminded me of the Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I. Series by Kevin J. Anderson, which I enjoyed quite a lot & wished there was more of.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                          Philippa CowderoyF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Philippa Cowderoy
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                          @cstross You're pretty close to the world of The Craft Cycle and Craft Wars books, ofc

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                          • Chao-c'X Chao-c'

                            @moira @cstross Actually, almost exactly this idea is behind evolution of term "debt" from "sin". If you read Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years, you kind of feel, that the religions originated exactly from such concept.

                            Martin Vermeer FCDM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Martin Vermeer FCD
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                            @xChaos @moira @cstross In Dutch even the same word: schuld.

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                            • ElectropictE Electropict

                              @cstross

                              I think we're just about there IRL.

                              Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

                              LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

                              There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

                              Matthew KenworthyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Matthew Kenworthy
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                              @electropict This is very close to Vernor Vinge's novella "The Cookie Monster" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                Dean L. SurkinD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Dean L. Surkin
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                                @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                • Angus McIntyreA Angus McIntyre

                                  @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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                                  @angusm @cstross
                                  Should we ever be able to map individual human consciousness, including memories, completely and accurately from human brains the notion of a "debtor's Hell" could become a reality, at least as far as using human minds as computers for unpaid labour is concerned.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                    @cstross only a small step from holding your descendants responsible for your debt, which has been and sometimes still is a thing in the Former US, at least.

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                                    • xinit ☕X xinit ☕

                                      @cstross
                                      That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                                      Sam Livingston-Gray
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                                      @xinit @cstross Also something from what's his name that did Buffy and Angel. At least one character in the show (and one in the comic) had contracts with Wolfram & Hart that continued post mortem.

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                                      • Dean L. SurkinD Dean L. Surkin

                                        @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                        xinit ☕
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                                        @dsurkin Are we all in that now? Or maybe just me?

                                        @cstross

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                                        • Dean L. SurkinD Dean L. Surkin

                                          @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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                                          Charlie Stross
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                                          @dsurkin Yes, I have a signed first edition copy. (It also has a thinly-disguised Elon Musk style entrepreneur who buys up all the bankrupt hells and runs hells as a software service on behalf of their creators.)

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