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  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

    Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸B This user is from outside of this forum
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    Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
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    @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
    (edit: fixed a typo)

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

      Ondřej MichálekO This user is from outside of this forum
      Ondřej MichálekO This user is from outside of this forum
      Ondřej Michálek
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      #6

      @randahl
      The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

      https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

        Dave RobinsonD This user is from outside of this forum
        Dave RobinsonD This user is from outside of this forum
        Dave Robinson
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        #7

        @randahl
        100% agree. Fair and legal taxation of digital and online services.

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

          CarstenC This user is from outside of this forum
          CarstenC This user is from outside of this forum
          Carsten
          wrote last edited by
          #8

          @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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          • Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸B Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸

            @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
            (edit: fixed a typo)

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            Paul_stilgar
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            @bigbelgianbopper @randahl

            And these companies need the European money ….

            #boycottusa

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            • CarstenC Carsten

              @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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              swggrkllr3rdS This user is from outside of this forum
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              swggrkllr3rd
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              @carsten @randahl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmFVQKfELpE

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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                IlkaI This user is from outside of this forum
                IlkaI This user is from outside of this forum
                Ilka
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                @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

                Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                  JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  James
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                  @randahl

                  I've been waiting - hoping - to see the EU ban Twitter. Send a message that no man is too big to get around the EU digital laws.

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                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                    Poul-Henning KampB This user is from outside of this forum
                    Poul-Henning KampB This user is from outside of this forum
                    Poul-Henning Kamp
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                    #13

                    @randahl

                    Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

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                    • Ondřej MichálekO Ondřej Michálek

                      @randahl
                      The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

                      https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

                      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @om @randahl That's valid, too, but it's not an instant solution. (EU corps can't just throw a switch and offer a no-DRM-on-this-tractor-engine product: there are massive startup/R&D costs). Whereas tariffs on use of US big tech *is* a fast smackdown (although there's a secondary chilling effect on the EU companies paying for them).

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                      • singlepennyS singlepenny

                        @randahl how

                        George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @randahl @singlepenny

                        @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                          bartosz 🚲🌳🐍🦀B This user is from outside of this forum
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                          bartosz 🚲🌳🐍🦀
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                          @randahl massive financial and visibility support to free and open source European alternatives would be just enough

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                          • Poul-Henning KampB Poul-Henning Kamp

                            @randahl

                            Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

                            RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                            RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                            Reg
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                            @bsdphk

                            I've yet to see a time that wasn't!

                            @randahl

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                            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                              When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                              Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                              Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                              Oliver BrandmüllerS This user is from outside of this forum
                              Oliver BrandmüllerS This user is from outside of this forum
                              Oliver Brandmüller
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                              @randahl They made a pilot, but neither could someone make an Excel sheet on the effects, nor could someone present the results with Powerpoint. So nobody knows what they found.

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                              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                Reg
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                                @randahl

                                Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

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                                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Steve Hersey
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                                  @randahl
                                  Also, I recommend Cory Doctorow's suggestion to revoke anti-circumvention laws and encourage reverse engineering of digital products. Hits the tech titans in the monopoly, where it will hurt most, and offers economic benefits.

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                                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                    lemgandiL This user is from outside of this forum
                                    lemgandiL This user is from outside of this forum
                                    lemgandi
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                                    @randahl

                                    REPEAL ANTI-CIRCUMVENTION LAWS

                                    ". . . if someone threatens to burn your house down unless you follow orders, and then they burn it down anyway, you really don't have to keep following their orders."

                                    ( Cory Doctorow )

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                                    • RegR Reg

                                      @randahl

                                      Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

                                      siderealS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @ReggieHere @randahl what happened with tiktok in the USA was that Trump started to criticize it, then Biden started legislation against it because he did whatever Trump wanted. Trump used this as an example of how Biden was out of touch and aping him, and then by the time the legislation passed, Trump was in power again and used “bringing back Tiktok” as some propaganda victory. I don’t know why you would want to emulate anything about this but go for it.

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                                      • siderealS sidereal

                                        @ReggieHere @randahl what happened with tiktok in the USA was that Trump started to criticize it, then Biden started legislation against it because he did whatever Trump wanted. Trump used this as an example of how Biden was out of touch and aping him, and then by the time the legislation passed, Trump was in power again and used “bringing back Tiktok” as some propaganda victory. I don’t know why you would want to emulate anything about this but go for it.

                                        RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                        RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Reg
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                                        @sidereal @randahl

                                        The ban on TikTok is still ongoing and due to be completed by Jan 23rd 2026.

                                        TikTok is still operational in the United States because it is due to be divested from ByteDance into U.S. control under the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (2024).

                                        Since all US social media companies are tools for foreign influence and propaganda, the exact same security concerns apply in Europe.

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                                        Application Of Protecting Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act To TikTok

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                                        The White House (www.whitehouse.gov)

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                                        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                          Marko KarppinenK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Marko Karppinen
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                                          @randahl @masek absolutely, but right now we're just totally fucked in terms of reliance on AWS and Azure, essentially nothing in Europe will work if cloud access is disrupted. So digital services has an escalation ladder that is especially dangerous to Europe. I hope that changes soon, but it won't change soon enough

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