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  3. Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

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  • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

    Yeah. Me neither.

    This is a toot about operating systems.

    Simon ๐ŸฎF This user is from outside of this forum
    Simon ๐ŸฎF This user is from outside of this forum
    Simon ๐Ÿฎ
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    #7

    @ptoothfish @bastardsheep The only constant is change, otherwise people won't buy our stuff!
    Sigh

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    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

      Yeah. Me neither.

      This is a toot about operating systems.

      David CroyleC This user is from outside of this forum
      David CroyleC This user is from outside of this forum
      David Croyle
      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @ptoothfish ^^^ THIS!

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      • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

        Yeah. Me neither.

        This is a toot about operating systems.

        NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
        NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
        Nazo
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        #9

        @ptoothfish I'd say it's a toot about tech in general...

        There's making improvements, and then there's just straight up fixing what isn't broken...

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        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

          Yeah. Me neither.

          This is a toot about operating systems.

          ๐Ÿ’™๐Ÿฉท๐Ÿ’œโ’ทโ“กโ“”โ“ฃโ“ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ‰๐ŸงB This user is from outside of this forum
          ๐Ÿ’™๐Ÿฉท๐Ÿ’œโ’ทโ“กโ“”โ“ฃโ“ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ‰๐ŸงB This user is from outside of this forum
          ๐Ÿ’™๐Ÿฉท๐Ÿ’œโ’ทโ“กโ“”โ“ฃโ“ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ‰๐Ÿง
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          #10
          @ptoothfish@mastodon.nz its not a toot about openbsd or alpine linux tho ๐Ÿ™‚
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          • D2C D2

            @ptoothfish ๐Ÿ’ฏ - if we did cars like tech does software, folks would have given โ€˜em up and gone back to walking.

            D This user is from outside of this forum
            D This user is from outside of this forum
            Dirty Anarcho-Communist
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            #11

            @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean, look at what happened when tech bros started making cars... Everything suddenly became a touch screen โ€” and everyone hated it.

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            • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

              Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

              Yeah. Me neither.

              This is a toot about operating systems.

              rainynight65R This user is from outside of this forum
              rainynight65R This user is from outside of this forum
              rainynight65
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              #12

              @ptoothfish It was bad enough when I had a rental car recently and the indicator was on the other side of the steering wheel, where decades of muscle memory expect the window wipers to be.

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              • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                Yeah. Me neither.

                This is a toot about operating systems.

                Geoff ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                Geoff ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ
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                #13

                @ptoothfish My linux setup is still about as close to the 2006 version as you can get, plus an early Mac style dock. If it works...

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                • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                  Yeah. Me neither.

                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                  TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
                  TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
                  Tanquist
                  wrote last edited by
                  #14

                  @ptoothfish
                  How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

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                  • D Dirty Anarcho-Communist

                    @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean, look at what happened when tech bros started making cars... Everything suddenly became a touch screen โ€” and everyone hated it.

                    D2C This user is from outside of this forum
                    D2C This user is from outside of this forum
                    D2
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                    #15

                    @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

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                    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                      Yeah. Me neither.

                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                      Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
                      Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
                      Steven Heywood
                      wrote last edited by
                      #16

                      @ptoothfish
                      But if they didn't periodically resize the keyboard buttons on touchscreens and round off the corners to minimise the chances of your hitting the letters cleanly there'd be no opportunity for the mandatory AI autofill to tell your doctor you want a repeat prescription for a Palaeozoic armoured fish.

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                      • D2C D2

                        @ptoothfish ๐Ÿ’ฏ - if we did cars like tech does software, folks would have given โ€˜em up and gone back to walking.

                        SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
                        SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
                        SlightlyCyberpunk
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                        #17

                        @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean this is pretty much what I *have* done because have you seen cars these days??? My 2009 Pontiac slowly rots on the street while I walk and bike because I am *not* buying one of these rolling enshittifications.

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                        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                          Yeah. Me neither.

                          This is a toot about operating systems.

                          Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                          Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                          Benjamin D. Hutchins
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                          #18

                          @ptoothfish I have in fact thought that about a car, but in that case I started so thinking within a few days of acquiring the car and spent the entire 8 to 10 years continuing to think it.

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                          • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                            Yeah. Me neither.

                            This is a toot about operating systems.

                            60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
                            60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
                            60sRefugee
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                            @ptoothfish I've imagined a "Twilight Zone"-esque short about a man who every day wakes up in an alternate timeline where everything's almost the same except that all devices have completely different (often absurd) controls which he has to relearn every day. He ends up living in the Canadian wilderness in a log cabin he built himself.

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                            • D2C D2

                              @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

                              J This user is from outside of this forum
                              J This user is from outside of this forum
                              j
                              wrote last edited by
                              #20

                              @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

                              In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

                              But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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                              • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                Yeah. Me neither.

                                This is a toot about operating systems.

                                H This user is from outside of this forum
                                H This user is from outside of this forum
                                Howitzer105mm
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                                #21

                                @ptoothfish I have a 2024 Snodgras Rapier and a 2024 Snodgras Defender and it would be so nice if the steering wheel controls were identical, the dash controls were identical, the dashboard instrument placement were identical, and so on. Sadly the Snodgras Motor Company has no concept of uniformity in controls. It also doesn't seem to believe there is value in building common parts in bulk.

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                                • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                  Yeah. Me neither.

                                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                                  NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Nicky
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                                  @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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                                  • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                    Yeah. Me neither.

                                    This is a toot about operating systems.

                                    Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Brian Tatosky
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                                    #23

                                    @ptoothfish :spittake: God I laughed so hard at this. And then imagined mandatory drill upgrades that moved the power button each time. And then laughed some more.

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                                      @ptoothfish
                                      How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

                                      NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Nicky
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                                      @tanquist @ptoothfish I dread the day when we're forced onto the new outlook. Been toggling that toggle on every computer I've used for years now.

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                                      • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                        Yeah. Me neither.

                                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                                        E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        E. C. Bigribs
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                                        @ptoothfish Yes, all the time, but I'm left-handed and chronically cranky and I prefer motorcycles.

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                                        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                          Yeah. Me neither.

                                          This is a toot about operating systems.

                                          ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                          ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                          ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #26

                                          @ptoothfish I'm looking at YOU KDE Plasma and Fedora... KDE Fedora 42 forced 6.5 on users like a normal update and it totally broke the start menu's search logic, which is the core workflow for 99% of KDE users...

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