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Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

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  • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

    Yeah. Me neither.

    This is a toot about operating systems.

    rainynight65R This user is from outside of this forum
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    rainynight65
    wrote last edited by
    #12

    @ptoothfish It was bad enough when I had a rental car recently and the indicator was on the other side of the steering wheel, where decades of muscle memory expect the window wipers to be.

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    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

      Yeah. Me neither.

      This is a toot about operating systems.

      Geoff ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ_ This user is from outside of this forum
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      Geoff ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ
      wrote last edited by
      #13

      @ptoothfish My linux setup is still about as close to the 2006 version as you can get, plus an early Mac style dock. If it works...

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      • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

        Yeah. Me neither.

        This is a toot about operating systems.

        TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
        TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
        Tanquist
        wrote last edited by
        #14

        @ptoothfish
        How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

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        • D Dirty Anarcho-Communist

          @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean, look at what happened when tech bros started making cars... Everything suddenly became a touch screen โ€” and everyone hated it.

          D2C This user is from outside of this forum
          D2C This user is from outside of this forum
          D2
          wrote last edited by
          #15

          @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

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          • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

            Yeah. Me neither.

            This is a toot about operating systems.

            Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
            Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
            Steven Heywood
            wrote last edited by
            #16

            @ptoothfish
            But if they didn't periodically resize the keyboard buttons on touchscreens and round off the corners to minimise the chances of your hitting the letters cleanly there'd be no opportunity for the mandatory AI autofill to tell your doctor you want a repeat prescription for a Palaeozoic armoured fish.

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            • D2C D2

              @ptoothfish ๐Ÿ’ฏ - if we did cars like tech does software, folks would have given โ€˜em up and gone back to walking.

              SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
              SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
              SlightlyCyberpunk
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              #17

              @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean this is pretty much what I *have* done because have you seen cars these days??? My 2009 Pontiac slowly rots on the street while I walk and bike because I am *not* buying one of these rolling enshittifications.

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              • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                Yeah. Me neither.

                This is a toot about operating systems.

                Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                Benjamin D. Hutchins
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                #18

                @ptoothfish I have in fact thought that about a car, but in that case I started so thinking within a few days of acquiring the car and spent the entire 8 to 10 years continuing to think it.

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                • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                  Yeah. Me neither.

                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                  60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
                  60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
                  60sRefugee
                  wrote last edited by
                  #19

                  @ptoothfish I've imagined a "Twilight Zone"-esque short about a man who every day wakes up in an alternate timeline where everything's almost the same except that all devices have completely different (often absurd) controls which he has to relearn every day. He ends up living in the Canadian wilderness in a log cabin he built himself.

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                  • D2C D2

                    @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

                    J This user is from outside of this forum
                    J This user is from outside of this forum
                    j
                    wrote last edited by
                    #20

                    @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

                    In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

                    But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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                    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                      Yeah. Me neither.

                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                      H This user is from outside of this forum
                      H This user is from outside of this forum
                      Howitzer105mm
                      wrote last edited by
                      #21

                      @ptoothfish I have a 2024 Snodgras Rapier and a 2024 Snodgras Defender and it would be so nice if the steering wheel controls were identical, the dash controls were identical, the dashboard instrument placement were identical, and so on. Sadly the Snodgras Motor Company has no concept of uniformity in controls. It also doesn't seem to believe there is value in building common parts in bulk.

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                      • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                        Yeah. Me neither.

                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                        NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                        NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                        Nicky
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                        #22

                        @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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                          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                          Yeah. Me neither.

                          This is a toot about operating systems.

                          Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                          Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                          Brian Tatosky
                          wrote last edited by
                          #23

                          @ptoothfish :spittake: God I laughed so hard at this. And then imagined mandatory drill upgrades that moved the power button each time. And then laughed some more.

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                          • TanquistT Tanquist

                            @ptoothfish
                            How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

                            NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                            NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                            Nicky
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                            #24

                            @tanquist @ptoothfish I dread the day when we're forced onto the new outlook. Been toggling that toggle on every computer I've used for years now.

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                            • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                              Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                              Yeah. Me neither.

                              This is a toot about operating systems.

                              E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                              E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                              E. C. Bigribs
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                              #25

                              @ptoothfish Yes, all the time, but I'm left-handed and chronically cranky and I prefer motorcycles.

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                              • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                Yeah. Me neither.

                                This is a toot about operating systems.

                                ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐
                                wrote last edited by
                                #26

                                @ptoothfish I'm looking at YOU KDE Plasma and Fedora... KDE Fedora 42 forced 6.5 on users like a normal update and it totally broke the start menu's search logic, which is the core workflow for 99% of KDE users...

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                                • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                  Yeah. Me neither.

                                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                                  Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Eric Lawton
                                  wrote last edited by
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                                  @ptoothfish

                                  Not have I wished my drill would take pictures of everything I do, so the manufacturer could merge my designs with others and sell them through โ€œAIโ€.

                                  @Szescstopni

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                                  • NickyN Nicky

                                    @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

                                    H This user is from outside of this forum
                                    H This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Howitzer105mm
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                                    #28

                                    @nicelady @ptoothfish That's not as far fetched as it sounds.
                                    One Snodgras has a button to enable a driver convenience.
                                    One Snodgras has it on the touch screen.
                                    I tested another Snodgras that had it one or two levels deep on the touch screen.
                                    The driver convenience I believe to have been intentionally made difficult to get to in order to upsell to a more expensive Snodgras model.

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                                    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                      Yeah. Me neither.

                                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                                      Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธD This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธD This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธ
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #29

                                      @ptoothfish Worse is when youโ€™ve had a car for 12 years and realize it has a feature you never knew it had! ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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                                      • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                        Yeah. Me neither.

                                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                                        James GiffordG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        James GiffordG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        James Gifford
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #30

                                        @ptoothfish Iโ€˜d ask *which* operating system, but, wellโ€ฆ ehmโ€ฆ

                                        ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP 1 Reply Last reply
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                                          @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

                                          In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

                                          But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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                                          Dirty Anarcho-Communist
                                          wrote last edited by
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                                          @jonasgraphie @cascheranno @ptoothfish I like a nice screen for maps, too, and that's about it. But, also, I do feel like I was "smarter" before having GPS constantly telling me where to go. At one time, I had a real estate license (hated being a real estate agent and didn't last long), and knowing how to get around my city by memory was a sense of pride. Ultimately, I prefer just a phone in a mount for navigation. Phones have gotten pretty big. Heads-up displays were a concept I really digged, too.

                                          But all the other things, like climate control and radio, are way less attention-grabbing when there is a physical button. It feels safer when you can just reach down and turn a dial or press a button without taking my eyes off the road.

                                          I have committed to only driving used cars that are 20+ years old, because I don't want all the tracking and like the physicality of them. Plus, old cars are easier to fix and maintain, oneself. #RightToRepair

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