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Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

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  • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

    Yeah. Me neither.

    This is a toot about operating systems.

    Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
    Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
    Benjamin D. Hutchins
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    #18

    @ptoothfish I have in fact thought that about a car, but in that case I started so thinking within a few days of acquiring the car and spent the entire 8 to 10 years continuing to think it.

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    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

      Yeah. Me neither.

      This is a toot about operating systems.

      60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
      60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
      60sRefugee
      wrote last edited by
      #19

      @ptoothfish I've imagined a "Twilight Zone"-esque short about a man who every day wakes up in an alternate timeline where everything's almost the same except that all devices have completely different (often absurd) controls which he has to relearn every day. He ends up living in the Canadian wilderness in a log cabin he built himself.

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      • D2C D2

        @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

        J This user is from outside of this forum
        J This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

        In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

        But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

          Yeah. Me neither.

          This is a toot about operating systems.

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          H This user is from outside of this forum
          Howitzer105mm
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          #21

          @ptoothfish I have a 2024 Snodgras Rapier and a 2024 Snodgras Defender and it would be so nice if the steering wheel controls were identical, the dash controls were identical, the dashboard instrument placement were identical, and so on. Sadly the Snodgras Motor Company has no concept of uniformity in controls. It also doesn't seem to believe there is value in building common parts in bulk.

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          • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

            Yeah. Me neither.

            This is a toot about operating systems.

            NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
            NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
            Nicky
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            #22

            @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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            • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

              Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

              Yeah. Me neither.

              This is a toot about operating systems.

              Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
              Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
              Brian Tatosky
              wrote last edited by
              #23

              @ptoothfish :spittake: God I laughed so hard at this. And then imagined mandatory drill upgrades that moved the power button each time. And then laughed some more.

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              • TanquistT Tanquist

                @ptoothfish
                How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

                NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
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                Nicky
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                #24

                @tanquist @ptoothfish I dread the day when we're forced onto the new outlook. Been toggling that toggle on every computer I've used for years now.

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                • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                  Yeah. Me neither.

                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                  E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                  E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
                  E. C. Bigribs
                  wrote last edited by
                  #25

                  @ptoothfish Yes, all the time, but I'm left-handed and chronically cranky and I prefer motorcycles.

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                  • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                    Yeah. Me neither.

                    This is a toot about operating systems.

                    ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                    ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐E This user is from outside of this forum
                    ๐‚๐€‘๐€๐
                    wrote last edited by
                    #26

                    @ptoothfish I'm looking at YOU KDE Plasma and Fedora... KDE Fedora 42 forced 6.5 on users like a normal update and it totally broke the start menu's search logic, which is the core workflow for 99% of KDE users...

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                    • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                      Yeah. Me neither.

                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                      Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                      Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                      Eric Lawton
                      wrote last edited by
                      #27

                      @ptoothfish

                      Not have I wished my drill would take pictures of everything I do, so the manufacturer could merge my designs with others and sell them through โ€œAIโ€.

                      @Szescstopni

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                      • NickyN Nicky

                        @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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                        Howitzer105mm
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                        #28

                        @nicelady @ptoothfish That's not as far fetched as it sounds.
                        One Snodgras has a button to enable a driver convenience.
                        One Snodgras has it on the touch screen.
                        I tested another Snodgras that had it one or two levels deep on the touch screen.
                        The driver convenience I believe to have been intentionally made difficult to get to in order to upsell to a more expensive Snodgras model.

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                        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                          Yeah. Me neither.

                          This is a toot about operating systems.

                          Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธD This user is from outside of this forum
                          Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธD This user is from outside of this forum
                          Dave โ˜ฎ๏ธ
                          wrote last edited by
                          #29

                          @ptoothfish Worse is when youโ€™ve had a car for 12 years and realize it has a feature you never knew it had! ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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                          • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                            Yeah. Me neither.

                            This is a toot about operating systems.

                            James GiffordG This user is from outside of this forum
                            James GiffordG This user is from outside of this forum
                            James Gifford
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                            #30

                            @ptoothfish Iโ€˜d ask *which* operating system, but, wellโ€ฆ ehmโ€ฆ

                            ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP 1 Reply Last reply
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                            • J j

                              @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

                              In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

                              But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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                              Dirty Anarcho-Communist
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                              @jonasgraphie @cascheranno @ptoothfish I like a nice screen for maps, too, and that's about it. But, also, I do feel like I was "smarter" before having GPS constantly telling me where to go. At one time, I had a real estate license (hated being a real estate agent and didn't last long), and knowing how to get around my city by memory was a sense of pride. Ultimately, I prefer just a phone in a mount for navigation. Phones have gotten pretty big. Heads-up displays were a concept I really digged, too.

                              But all the other things, like climate control and radio, are way less attention-grabbing when there is a physical button. It feels safer when you can just reach down and turn a dial or press a button without taking my eyes off the road.

                              I have committed to only driving used cars that are 20+ years old, because I don't want all the tracking and like the physicality of them. Plus, old cars are easier to fix and maintain, oneself. #RightToRepair

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                              • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                Yeah. Me neither.

                                This is a toot about operating systems.

                                pauldotmP This user is from outside of this forum
                                pauldotmP This user is from outside of this forum
                                pauldotm
                                wrote last edited by
                                #32

                                @ptoothfish actually the operating system need not change other than improved capabilities and performance. User Interfaces generally donโ€™t need to change other than correcting mistakes. Applications changing the UI obviously either got it wrong the first time or are just trying to justify cost increase for the same functionality.

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                                • James GiffordG James Gifford

                                  @ptoothfish Iโ€˜d ask *which* operating system, but, wellโ€ฆ ehmโ€ฆ

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                                  ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ
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                                  #33

                                  @GiffordJames i had one in mind but everyone hating on every operating system has been insightful ๐Ÿคฃ

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                                  • Brian TatoskyV Brian Tatosky

                                    @ptoothfish :spittake: God I laughed so hard at this. And then imagined mandatory drill upgrades that moved the power button each time. And then laughed some more.

                                    Commander Realo :trekbadgetng:J This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Commander Realo :trekbadgetng:
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                                    #34

                                    @virtualbri This sounds like a Hitchhikerโ€™s Guide bit. @ptoothfish

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                                    • Commander Realo :trekbadgetng:J Commander Realo :trekbadgetng:

                                      @virtualbri This sounds like a Hitchhikerโ€™s Guide bit. @ptoothfish

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                                      ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP This user is from outside of this forum
                                      ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ
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                                      @jacobrealo @virtualbri wouldn't it make drills and impact drivers more fun if forward and reverse were just random?

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                                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                        Yeah. Me neither.

                                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                                        MossP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Moss
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                                        @ptoothfish also tesla's

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                                        • ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸP ๐ŸŸ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿก๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฆ‘ptoothfish๐Ÿฆ‘๐Ÿ™๐Ÿก๐Ÿ ๐ŸŸ

                                          @jacobrealo @virtualbri wouldn't it make drills and impact drivers more fun if forward and reverse were just random?

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                                          Commander Realo :trekbadgetng:
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                                          @ptoothfish @virtualbri

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