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We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

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  • MastodonM Mastodon

    Starting now, we’re recruiting general purpose servers with open sign-ups. To be eligible, servers must:

    - Run default Mastodon (for now)
    - Agree to the Server Covenant
    - Have existed for 1+ year
    - Have shut-down & disaster plans

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    ColinC This user is from outside of this forum
    ColinC This user is from outside of this forum
    Colin
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    #22

    @Mastodon besides geographical location, are there going to be any filters for like, interests or core topics etc?

    A gardening and plant instance is going to have a different vibe from the software/hardware developer instance, etc.

    It would be a neat to be a part of this, but only if relevant users/signups are being directed.

    Edit: "General Purpose Servers" ah.. missed that keyword (figured that would've been mentioned again earlier?). /ht: https://tyrol.social/@nitrml/115989922418887309

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    • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

      @Mastodon This is a link to the server covenant:

      Link Preview Image
      Mastodon Server Covenant for joinmastodon.org

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      (joinmastodon.org)

      One important question – and one we’ve discussed together – is which definition of antisemitism are you going with? I’d appreciate it if you could state the decision you’ve reached on this publicly. Crucially, is it one that conflates opposition to Zionism, Israel, and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people with being bigoted against Jewish people or not? This is key in knowing whether only Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-genocide Mastodon servers will be featured in recommendations or not.

      Chad - x :mstdn:C This user is from outside of this forum
      Chad - x :mstdn:C This user is from outside of this forum
      Chad - x :mstdn:
      wrote last edited by
      #23

      @aral for us in Canada, we align with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and still are green in terms of the Covenant.

      There's protected speech, and there's unprotected speech, and that is what we abide by.

      Being a purely geographical instance, I know we enjoy being able to defer these decisions.

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      • MastodonM Mastodon

        If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.

        (sorry it’s in Google docs)

        https://forms.gle/7uRui5VnMPfEYAgq8

        5/6

        thomkennonT This user is from outside of this forum
        thomkennonT This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #24

        @Mastodon google docs wtf?!... switch asap to Cryptpad comrades for stuff like this

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        • MastodonM Mastodon

          We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

          Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

          1/6

          Dusk To Don :raccoon:D This user is from outside of this forum
          Dusk To Don :raccoon:D This user is from outside of this forum
          Dusk To Don :raccoon:
          wrote last edited by
          #25

          @Mastodon

          Fabulous news. Any movement away from mastodon . social (risk of centralization, and plenty of other issues) is progress

          HT @FediTips

          Fedi.Tips (@FediTips@social.growyourown.services)

          Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers. In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger. If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden #FediTips

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          social.growyourown.services (social.growyourown.services)

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          • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

            @Mastodon good idea!
            "Correct language": Does it mean the favourite language that people choose individually in their preferences (but for which they need an instance) or official language of a country/region? Asking for all the multi-language migrants, bilingual regions, and foreign-language prefering people.

            hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
            hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #26

            @NatureMC

            Hey! We haven't built the logic for this yet, so thanks for mentioning situations like this so we can make sure to take them into account. Our idea is "correct language" = "the person's preferred language, as determined by their phone's preferences."

            @Mastodon

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            • MastodonM Mastodon

              If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.

              (sorry it’s in Google docs)

              https://forms.gle/7uRui5VnMPfEYAgq8

              5/6

              KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
              KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
              Kackfresh
              wrote last edited by
              #27

              @Mastodon

              @mainz_sozial_digital könnte interessant sein?

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              • hannah aubryH hannah aubry

                @NatureMC

                Hey! We haven't built the logic for this yet, so thanks for mentioning situations like this so we can make sure to take them into account. Our idea is "correct language" = "the person's preferred language, as determined by their phone's preferences."

                @Mastodon

                Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                Petra van Cronenburg
                wrote last edited by
                #28

                @haubles That sounds very good, I didn't know that it's technically possible. Great!

                @Mastodon

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                • MastodonM Mastodon

                  If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.

                  (sorry it’s in Google docs)

                  https://forms.gle/7uRui5VnMPfEYAgq8

                  5/6

                  stux :stux_santa:S This user is from outside of this forum
                  stux :stux_santa:S This user is from outside of this forum
                  stux :stux_santa:
                  wrote last edited by
                  #29

                  @Mastodon send!

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                  • Sexybiggetje🐖M Sexybiggetje🐖

                    @Mastodon @SolSoCoG ?

                    SolSoCoGS This user is from outside of this forum
                    SolSoCoGS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #30

                    @martijn @Mastodon already filled out when a fellow admin wrote about it 👌

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                    • stux :stux_santa:S stux :stux_santa:

                      @Mastodon send!

                      kryptuxx :unverified:K This user is from outside of this forum
                      kryptuxx :unverified:K This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #31

                      @stux @Mastodon send data?!

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                      • hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #32

                        @nitrml @colinstu

                        This experiment will be for general purpose servers only, but we'll be looking into running other onboarding experiments—including for special interest servers—soon.

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                        • MastodonM Mastodon

                          We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

                          Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

                          1/6

                          TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                          TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                          Tariq
                          wrote last edited by
                          #33

                          @Mastodon

                          you might also wish to ask the user about legal jurisdiction

                          the German and similar jurisdictions can be unreasonably and surprisingly problematic

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                          • MastodonM Mastodon

                            We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

                            Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

                            1/6

                            SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                            SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                            Sunny
                            wrote last edited by
                            #34

                            @Mastodon ideally combined with personal interests, right? (as long as there are enough servers to choose from) 😎🌈👩‍💻🌳

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                            • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

                              @Mastodon This is a link to the server covenant:

                              Link Preview Image
                              Mastodon Server Covenant for joinmastodon.org

                              favicon

                              (joinmastodon.org)

                              One important question – and one we’ve discussed together – is which definition of antisemitism are you going with? I’d appreciate it if you could state the decision you’ve reached on this publicly. Crucially, is it one that conflates opposition to Zionism, Israel, and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people with being bigoted against Jewish people or not? This is key in knowing whether only Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-genocide Mastodon servers will be featured in recommendations or not.

                              KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
                              KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Kackfresh
                              wrote last edited by
                              #35

                              @aral

                              I feel like by asking this question you're — inadvertently — legitimizing zionism by implying that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism is a credible definition of that word.

                              Personally, I assume that antisemitism means antisemitism unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

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                              • Octavia Con Amore :pink_moon_and_stars: Succubard's LibraryO Octavia Con Amore :pink_moon_and_stars: Succubard's Library

                                @Mastodon do you mean entirely open sign-ups (i.e. prone to spam accounts) or accepting sign-ups that get manually approved by a human?

                                hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                hannah aubry
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                                #36

                                @OctaviaConAmore @Mastodon

                                For this experiment, that is correct. We are looking to partner with servers that have open sign-ups. But we've heard the feedback that spam is going to be a big issue for many servers to participate, so our team is going to discuss what we can do about that next week.

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                                • KackfreshP Kackfresh

                                  @aral

                                  I feel like by asking this question you're — inadvertently — legitimizing zionism by implying that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism is a credible definition of that word.

                                  Personally, I assume that antisemitism means antisemitism unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

                                  Aral BalkanA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Aral BalkanA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Aral Balkan
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #37

                                  @potatoes_fall It’s not a credible definition of the word but it is a *legally accepted* one in certain jurisdictions and it is essential that we know what is meant – in this specific context – by a term that is so widely and so willfully misunderstood so we understand what exactly the effects of this initiative will be and whether we should be in support of it or in opposition to it.

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                                  • SunnyS Sunny

                                    @Mastodon ideally combined with personal interests, right? (as long as there are enough servers to choose from) 😎🌈👩‍💻🌳

                                    hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    hannah aubry
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #38

                                    @sunnythesheep @Mastodon for this experiment we are looking to partner with general-purpose servers. But this is just one experiment, not the only experiment! We’ll be looking at how we can help with special-interest server discovery soon.

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                                    • MastodonM Mastodon

                                      The Default Server Recommendations experiment is a first step in reimagining how Mastodon onboarding & server discovery work.

                                      Our team’s intent is to work with the community to build new onboarding pathways that support the entire network.

                                      We can’t wait to get started 💜

                                      6/6

                                      SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                                      SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Sam
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #39

                                      @Mastodon It's amazing seeing these sorts of things play out across the Fediverse. Making sure we make a better internet that is centered around Privacy and staying decentralized for all.

                                      Keep up the good work and can't wait to see where we all are in several years to come.

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                                      • TariqR Tariq

                                        @Mastodon

                                        you might also wish to ask the user about legal jurisdiction

                                        the German and similar jurisdictions can be unreasonably and surprisingly problematic

                                        FeyterF This user is from outside of this forum
                                        FeyterF This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Feyter
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #40

                                        @rzeta0 @Mastodon What do you mean? The idea would be to give people a server that is in the area they are living. If you live in Germany you have apply to it's legal jurisdiction.

                                        But I don't really see how German law is particular more / less problematic when choosing a mastodon server.

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                                        • MastodonM Mastodon

                                          We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

                                          Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

                                          1/6

                                          FinchHaven sfbaF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          FinchHaven sfbaF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          FinchHaven sfba
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #41

                                          @Mastodon

                                          "We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start."

                                          And here is the core symptom of the core problem itself:

                                          You're pointing the question and its solution right back at the Deathstar Mothership itself: @Mastodon dot Social

                                          Sort of a recursive, self-fulfilling loop, no?

                                          But not the least bit surprising

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