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Microsoft responds to Gaming Copilot controversy, says it uses screenshots to understand in-game events, not for training AI models — optional feature can be turned off, but not easily uninstalled

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  • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    Man, you must be fun at parties.

    • No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access
    • Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)
    • Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements (largely irrelevant for the software you want to use this with, but it’s a factor)

    Also two things, since I’m confused on if you’re playing coy or are just in a contrarian mood:

    • Yes, all of the functions inside the VM can be achieved with a standard Windows install. However, we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs that throw roadblocks (AKA the original commenter of this comment train)

    • Regarding network security, the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons included in the package (such as copilot). You can debloat windows, but you can never be truly sure that those issues won’t return in the next update or are fully disabled. With a VM that’s not running… well, it’s not running. Not connected to the internet.

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    artyom
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    #33

    Man you must recycle jokes at parties.

    No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access

    Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

    I just can’t possibly comprehend why you would prefer that when dual booting is so much simpler…

    Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)

    So you mean to tell me running Windows inside of Linux uses less RAM than just Windows? How does that work?

    Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements

    I mean you can get around that using Rufus easy enough (I’m told).

    we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs

    But why?

    the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons

    I’m not sure you understand how a VM works. There’s nothing about a VM that removes telemetry or add-ons from Windows…

    And who said anything about a “main operating system”? Linux can still be your “main”.

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      ohlaph@lemmy.world
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      #34

      MicroShaft is the epitome of terrible, evil companies.

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      • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

        Any other suggestions for Windows 11 users that haven’t had to use it since 8? I want to kill as much of their garbage as possible, but I feel like I missed so much of their dastardly crap I could be missing something.

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        pyr0ball@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        #35

        If you have the ability to set up and run a powershell script and flash an iso, check out tiny11

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        GitHub - ntdevlabs/tiny11builder: Scripts to build a trimmed-down Windows 11 image.

        Scripts to build a trimmed-down Windows 11 image. Contribute to ntdevlabs/tiny11builder development by creating an account on GitHub.

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        GitHub (github.com)

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          blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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          #36

          It’s very easy to uninstall.

          Step 1: Download Bazzite
          Step 2: Install Bazzite
          Step 3: Erase Windows

          That’s all there is to it.

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          • A artyom

            You can restrict access to your entire network.

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            jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
            wrote on last edited by
            #37

            …what? How are you going to do any modern day work on the host machine with no Internet access? Are you going to air gap your windows machine?

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            • A artyom

              Man you must recycle jokes at parties.

              No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access

              Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

              I just can’t possibly comprehend why you would prefer that when dual booting is so much simpler…

              Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)

              So you mean to tell me running Windows inside of Linux uses less RAM than just Windows? How does that work?

              Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements

              I mean you can get around that using Rufus easy enough (I’m told).

              we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs

              But why?

              the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons

              I’m not sure you understand how a VM works. There’s nothing about a VM that removes telemetry or add-ons from Windows…

              And who said anything about a “main operating system”? Linux can still be your “main”.

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              jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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              #38

              Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

              You want to reboot the entire system when you need to use a Windows only application? Instead of just opening up a VM?

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              • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                …what? How are you going to do any modern day work on the host machine with no Internet access? Are you going to air gap your windows machine?

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                artyom
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                #39

                …what? How are you going to do work in the VM with no internet access?

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                • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                  Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

                  You want to reboot the entire system when you need to use a Windows only application? Instead of just opening up a VM?

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                  artyom
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                  #40

                  …after spending 2 weeks trying to figure out how to make it work? Yeah I’ll restart the computer in 2 minutes instead, thank you.

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                  • M msage@programming.dev

                    Lol.

                    Lmao, even.

                    Whoever believes a single word that company says?

                    Like why are we as a society normalizing lying about everything? “Marketing”, “Public relations”, even “Politics”. All of which are ultimately pointless, as we don’t need to keep buying shit, think better of corporations, and argue about same three questions over and over again.

                    Which is to say, fuck Microsoft. And everything they do. Yes, EVERYTHING. Including the open-source stuff. We need to break down big companies into much smaller ones.

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                    bosht@lemmy.world
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                    #41

                    I’ve thought this for well over a decade. Probably longer but I’m not going to do the math. Why the fuck do we have anti monopoly laws if they’re never enforced anymore? Is it because they found loopholes? Especially with media conglomerates and horrors like Disney walking the land.

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                      #42

                      I don’t give a flying fuck how they try to explain it. I don’t want AI driven anything.

                      Let people opt in to that crap. They have an app store, out it’s there.

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                      • A artyom

                        …after spending 2 weeks trying to figure out how to make it work? Yeah I’ll restart the computer in 2 minutes instead, thank you.

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                        jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                        You think making a VM takes two weeks? I’m pretty sure Microsoft provides images you can just pop into virtualbox, but it’s been a while since I used VMs.

                        Also if you need to use the windows software alongside your regular workflow (eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal), rebooting the whole thing is going to suck.

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                        • A artyom

                          …what? How are you going to do work in the VM with no internet access?

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                          jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                          Depends on what you need to do. You could mount a folder to get files in or out, for some cases.

                          Have you used virtual machines before? Done software development?

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                            I don’t give a flying fuck how they try to explain it. I don’t want AI driven anything.

                            Let people opt in to that crap. They have an app store, out it’s there.

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                            ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                            People are already opting in to use Windows though.

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                            • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

                              Any other suggestions for Windows 11 users that haven’t had to use it since 8? I want to kill as much of their garbage as possible, but I feel like I missed so much of their dastardly crap I could be missing something.

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                              p1nkman@lemmy.world
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                              Win11debloat. Thank me later.

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                              • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                You think making a VM takes two weeks? I’m pretty sure Microsoft provides images you can just pop into virtualbox, but it’s been a while since I used VMs.

                                Also if you need to use the windows software alongside your regular workflow (eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal), rebooting the whole thing is going to suck.

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                                artyom
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                                #47

                                You think making a VM takes two weeks?

                                I dunno, I spent several hours trying before I gave up.

                                eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal

                                I can’t fathom a scenario where I would need to do that.

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                                • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                  Yeah, ever since I’ve never purchased a console (Only exception was a Wii and a 3DS, which I modded with homebrew and never connects to Nintendo’s servers), because they are completely unable to be audited. Personal computers (and certain smartphones) can.

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                                  landless2029@lemmy.world
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                                  My modded Wii is the one console I’d consider hooking back up.

                                  My living room is a modded android stick and a steam deck on a dock

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                                  • A artyom

                                    You think making a VM takes two weeks?

                                    I dunno, I spent several hours trying before I gave up.

                                    eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal

                                    I can’t fathom a scenario where I would need to do that.

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                                    jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                                    Setting up a windows VM at my old job took like a few minutes, but I already had virtual box (I think that’s what I used)

                                    And I needed to see some software running in a Windows box while editing the code that talked to it.

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                                      I don’t give a flying fuck how they try to explain it. I don’t want AI driven anything.

                                      Let people opt in to that crap. They have an app store, out it’s there.

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                                      affiliate@lemmy.world
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                                      if they did that then nobody would use it, and then the shareholders would be sad.

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                                      • B bosht@lemmy.world

                                        I’ve thought this for well over a decade. Probably longer but I’m not going to do the math. Why the fuck do we have anti monopoly laws if they’re never enforced anymore? Is it because they found loopholes? Especially with media conglomerates and horrors like Disney walking the land.

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                                        Hemingways_Shotgun
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                                        #51

                                        Their loopholes are called “campaign contributions”.

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                                        • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                                          People are already opting in to use Windows though.

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                                          ibot@feddit.org
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                                          Yes and no. It’s still more a theoretical choice.

                                          If you buy a new computer, you have basically the choice between MacOS and Windows. And if they do not want a Mac or are not able to afford it, the only only Windows.

                                          Sure, you can buy computers with pre-installed Linux, but it’s hard to find.

                                          Now, with Hardware not supporting Windows 11 anymore, more people switch to Linux, but it’s still a small amount. And many people do not know how to install linux. It’s relativ easy these days on older hardware, but if one buys a brand new computer, there are often still problems with hardware that is not yet supported out of the box in Linux.

                                          I think, consumers should have the right of choice for an OS at the moment they buy a computer. There should be the option to have Windows, a Linux distribution or no OS installed.

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