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  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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    AO Smith
    wrote last edited by
    #99

    @Daojoan
    I can intellectually appreciate that some people find videos easiest to learn from. But I find them so inefficient to be essentially useless. And, of course, poor references because you can't just quickly go back and re-read a section.

    Only once, years ago, I found instructions on a particular crochet technique that only came in a video that was useful because the creator had content links marked so you could jump to a section. Kudos to them for taking the time to add that feature!

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    • miszeleqM miszeleq

      @earthshine @Daojoan

      I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

      IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

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      crazyeddie
      wrote last edited by
      #100

      @miszeleq @earthshine @Daojoan I blame stackoverflow.

      That guy set out with the stated goal of killing all forums and usenet and having all questions and such in one central database used by everyone.

      It fucking worked. Those things all died and search results largely point at that place. AI is starting to swamp it out, but there you go...

      I was actually slow to shift from usenet/forum to stackoverflow. Eventually I did until I just stopped participating in the "community".

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      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

        MarcM This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #101

        @Daojoan yes! We had a discussion about this at my customer, and a user survey. The result has been 50/50 between video and written. We did a blended learning concept and we decided to choose the best for the users .

        I agree , I like written as well more

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        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

          The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

          Francisca SinnF This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #102

          @Daojoan omg this. Every click to a link is painful.

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          • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

            The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

            J MillerJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            J Miller
            wrote last edited by
            #103

            @Daojoan

            FWIW, many educators also find this terrible from an instructor’s point of view. Of course, some enjoy it. But for many it shifts the focus from teaching, learning, and subject matter to performing on screen, which is not what we got into the field for in the first place.

            Do not underestimate the extent the ongoing “pivot to video” reflects what can be monetized rather than actual preference or effectiveness.

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            • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

              The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

              UrwumpeU This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #104

              @Daojoan Like an university lecture without text books and lecture notes. Can't be that bad, right? Its not like development is complex and (often) hard....

              #teaching #slop

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              • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                Akul Bansal
                wrote last edited by
                #105

                @Daojoan Now there is a AI button on youtube videos which you can use for summarizing the video or asking other questions.

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                • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                  The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                  Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)
                  wrote last edited by
                  #106

                  @Daojoan when I tell people that the video is basically garbage because I’m never gonna watch it, just peel off the transcript, they look at me in utter shock but man I cannot glean information from some rando droning on and on about everything except the thing, then two sentences on the thing, and now we’ve moved onto tangential shores.

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                  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

                    Koen Hufkens, PhDK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Koen Hufkens, PhD
                    wrote last edited by
                    #107

                    @Daojoan As if they are meant to be training some GenAI tool or something.

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                    • miszeleqM miszeleq

                      @earthshine @Daojoan

                      I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

                      IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

                      Orb 2069O This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Orb 2069
                      wrote last edited by
                      #108

                      @miszeleq @earthshine @Daojoan

                      We're going to find out in twenty years that the endless torrent of spam that drove people away from public forums to Discord and Facebook was funded/aided by Facebook and Discord.

                      It's fucking Jia Tan, all the way down. I know it in my bones.

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                      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                        Ianto Jones
                        wrote last edited by
                        #109

                        @Daojoan the inability to process written language was the first slice at the throat, imo.

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                        • J MillerJ J Miller

                          @Daojoan

                          FWIW, many educators also find this terrible from an instructor’s point of view. Of course, some enjoy it. But for many it shifts the focus from teaching, learning, and subject matter to performing on screen, which is not what we got into the field for in the first place.

                          Do not underestimate the extent the ongoing “pivot to video” reflects what can be monetized rather than actual preference or effectiveness.

                          Orb 2069O This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Orb 2069
                          wrote last edited by
                          #110

                          @JMMaok @Daojoan

                          This. YouTube is the last place pretending to pay people actual money. The twenty-minute leadup is them shaking the cup to pad out the runtime long enough to get monetized.

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                          • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                            The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                            Richard "RichiH" Hartmann
                            wrote last edited by
                            #111

                            @Daojoan not to toot my own horn too much, but this has been annoying me for YEARS, and after pushing for way too long there's now interactive learning built into #Grafana.. as in, If you go to https://play.grafana.org/alerting , click the question mark in the upper right, and then select the interactive guide, it teaches you within the UI

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                            • lil5 :rustcrab: 🚲 🇳🇱L lil5 :rustcrab: 🚲 🇳🇱

                              @Daojoan what might help is to try different search engines that focus on blogs and lower the ranking based on ads and tracking.

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                              The big two trackers (google & bing) actively give big tech and ads supported websites higher ratings, leaving independent blogs in the dust, at page 8.

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                              #112

                              @lil5@social.linux.pizza @Daojoan@mastodon.social Thanks for these links.

                              In my experience, mojeek can sometimes be good at showing personal sites but it can also show a lot of SEO spam that appears AI generated and there's a lot missing from its index. It's like rolling the dice whether it will have any useful results to a query and I ended up quitting it because it was so unreliable.

                              Kagi often has low quality results but what you're paying for is the the filtering tools which can help dial things in.

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                              • miszeleqM miszeleq

                                @earthshine @Daojoan

                                I blame Discord on the downfall of the modern web. You used to be able to find answers to your problems easily on moderated forums, where people used to follow the rules of netiquette. Nowadays you need to join private server and scroll through endless spam.

                                IDK who had the idea of moving the support/community into de facto chatroom that is Discord, but there is a special place in hell for them.

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                                狐ヴィクシー
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                                #113

                                @miszeleq@mastodon.com.pl @Daojoan@mastodon.social @earthshine@masto.hackers.town Canva had the idea of archiving the Affinity suite forums and moving the community into Discord.

                                Which is why I'm sticking with v2 and not trusting v3.

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                                • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                  The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #114

                                  @Daojoan
                                  "Oh, I remember this video talked about that. Let me just ctrl-F the keyword to find the right part of the video..."

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                                  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                    The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                    RejZoR
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                                    #115

                                    @Daojoan And to make matters worse, there is fuck ton of stupid Ai generated generic slop videos that don't actually fix anything, it's just a generic video to fix some very broad issue and you can find like 15 same videos from different "creators".

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                                    • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                      The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #116

                                      @Daojoan

                                      it is the WORST, but more on that later!
                                      🤮

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                                      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                        The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #117

                                        @Daojoan

                                        I remember, that I had to find a certain function on a device I own.

                                        Explaining where to find it, takes two simple sentences in English, maybe 200 bytes.

                                        The only thing, I found on the net: A multi-minute #video. Megabytes wasted. Let's burn the planet.

                                        Next level: #AI generated #tutorial videos.

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                                        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                          The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore. It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that isn't remotely relevant...

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                                          Ari [APz] Sovijärvi
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #118

                                          @Daojoan I swear I'm constantly running into a theme, were something that's better off as text is made a video and then some complicated disassembly tutorial again is in text form that is so vague most of the time I have no idea what's been referred to, especially when it's put through a machine translator first.

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