@richlv

KDE by default has the same problem. You need to change the settings to add real window borders.

And even that is not ideal. Ideal would be Windows 3 or IRIX, where windows are rectangular, thickly bordered, and the resize regions are clearly delineated.

@noheger

@richlv @noheger Or they could just revert to the NeXTSTEP UI. That had neat little resize handles.

@fazalmajid @noheger Thinking about this as well, after ~40 years of using Apple products. Although in my case admittedly only partly because of how rubbish much of Tahoe is, more because of the general enshittification of Apple, the company, the products, and the politics.

@phl @the_wub @noheger 7's borders were unreservedly thicc

@groxx @the_wub @noheger Glassy thing done better than whatever iOS is currently doing

@noheger inerestingly, the snap area is outside of what appears to define a window area. But then, traditionnally, wasn't that 'always' the case? Scroll sliders defining a window sizing drag corner?

@argv_minus_one @noheger Here's KDE where I have changed nothing on window corners, it seems to work perfectly.

@richlv

Did you change the border width? As far as I know, there's no border by default.

@noheger

@noheger I thought good design and a nice user interface were their only selling point. Great job fucking that up! The icons are also hilarious https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/

@noheger meanwhile XFCE since decades : CLICK ANYWHERE HOLDING ALT AND IT RESIZES THE WAY YOU WANT

You don't have to target anything. It just work very well and is very comfortable to use.

Who the hell pays for fisher price apple again ?

@noheger this is why I refuse to use a window manager that does not support resize using alt+mouse2

@the_wub @noheger on macos we use BetterTouchTool, which has options for this.

@argv_minus_one @noheger
Ah, somewhat weird. Firefox has that thick border, but other apps do not. Maybe something to do with GTK vs QT, not sure.

While the border is pretty much not there, it's still very easy to resize windows.

With the narrow border it's more obvious that indeed dragging area inside the window itself is smaller than outside it. Maybe to avoid overlapping with controls inside those windows?

Otherwise that scrollbar might be weirdly inaccessible.

@noheger You move your cursor pretty fast to show it not working, but you slow down quite a bit to make your point. Maybe slow down in the first place.

@noheger
The whole #LiquidGlass fiasco has made #MacOS noticeably worse. It wastes a LOT of screen space.

@groxx @phl @the_wub @noheger wow I didn't remember Windows 7 looking that good.
Maybe Apple should've tried improving this design instead of whatever they've done instead.

@noheger this is dumb. Good post!

@noheger I've just realised that #Ubuntu does that too. I never noticed because I never use the corner to resize; I do Super + right click.

@noheger
Clearly the superior UI, infallible in every way...

@noheger Steve Jobs has been rolling in his grave ever faster and faster over the years. These days he must be fast as a drill.