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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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  • R rarsamx@lemmy.ca

    I am Mexican Canadian.

    Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.

    If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.

    So, why do disagree?

    Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”

    Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)

    The manifest Destiny is no joke.

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    gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.

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    • MichaelM Michael

      and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

      Could you provide a source for this claim?

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      faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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      It’s no secret that the US offered free flights to Cubans that disagreed with Castro, and this resulted in a large population of Cuban-Americans that want Cuba to go back to the “Cuba of Yesterday”

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      • E eldritchfeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.

        They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.

        So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.

        The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.

        It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.

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        regedit@lemmy.zip
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        Thank you. Really tired of the whole ‘do something’ when the very system, propaganda machine, and half the population is conditioned to fight their neighbors because of lies about who those neighbors are or what those neighbors believe. We have a population that will attempt a coup over a lie no one can prove with evidence, but support the side lying to them about it all when they’re told to look the other way about this regimes many crimes.

        The armchair warriors around the world are tired of the inaction from Americans? Try living here and needing to fight against the fascism while half the country tries to stop you to own the libs. It’s fucking exhausting. I’ve lost friends and family to their bullshit excuses of essentially if they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We’re fucking pissed, too, but short of calling, writing, voting, protesting, and trying to engage and help our communities, what should we do?

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        • A asg101@lemmy.ca

          Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.

          The beat goes on.

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          swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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          What people hear when you say things like this: Ah, so this is business as usual, and while it sucks for the people affected, keeping my head down should continue working to keep me out of trouble. I’m powerless to fix this stuff, anyway, so I should just dissociate and worry about my own problems.

          And then they don’t show up for elections…

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          • W wonderingwanderer

            And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

            But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

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            beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            There was an antifa member who was killed by US Marshals under Trump’s first term. He wasn’t allowed to surrender, he was killed on the spot.

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            • P prototypez9er@lemmynsfw.com

              Dear Canada:

              Issue a warrant for Miller and his fascist wife and abduct them in the middle of the night.

              Apparently we will just go with it now.

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              swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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              The tiny news item a few months ago about Miller and family moving out of his suburban house and onto a military base with the flimsy excuse about feeling threatened by sidewalk chalk doesn’t seem so amusing now.

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              • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                and no single person can solve the problem.

                That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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                swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                Remember what Obama did to Occupy Wall Street? That’s what happens when Americans organize. It’s only worse now.

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                • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                  And a lot of people outside the USA looking in don’t realize the social dynamics. I want to stop this, but a lot needs to happen first as lone wolfing just gets you labeled a terrorists and extra judicially killed.

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                  swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                  Organizing also gets you labeled as terrorists. Just ask CAIR, and soon many others.

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                  • T teppichbrand@feddit.org

                    Covid didn’t stop them when it was already in their homes destroying their lungs. This cult scares me, you can’t fight the insanity, it makes them stronger if you do. What do we do?

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                    regedit@lemmy.zip
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                    If you listen to those with no skin in the game, the answer is easy, we’re just lazy, see? What sucks is that this problem is in the final chapters of the story, but many of us who want to do more are fighting the complacent populations of previous and current generations’ inaction. We didn’t make the mess alone, but now it’s all on us to fix it.

                    To those with that attitude toward the American population, doing what they can to push back, they can go ahead and eat my whole ass. To those of you doing what you can, while balancing your very survival, keep pushing and ignore the fuckers trying to shame you. Every act of resistance, no matter how small, furthers your cause. We need to remember this, always.

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                    • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                      Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                      tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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                      Canadians? Shit, this should invoke and article 5 of NATO.

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                      • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                        Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                        circav@lemmy.ca
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                        #171

                        And Canadas next. This is not a drill. The orange shitgibbon and followers are not joking. Canadians will need to defend this country ourselves - even as our leaders continue to appease and suck up to the rogue US regime.

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                        • T thanksobama@sh.itjust.works

                          There is still hope…

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                          tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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                          I’d like a faster processor.

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                          • T thanksobama@sh.itjust.works

                            There is still hope…

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                            circav@lemmy.ca
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                            This is the only answer.

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                            • C Cethin

                              I don’t, but also I’m fucking doing it. It takes all of five minutes. You’ve got the time to do it. You might as well. It can only help. It won’t solve the problem, but it will make it harder for them.

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                              fartographer@lemmy.world
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                              I’m gonna vote, too, even though I fully expect to be arrested at some point for TDS because I voted for someone he didn’t endorse.

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                              • AbeilleVeganeA AbeilleVegane

                                In this hypothetical scenario, maybe you could just renounce your citizenship (and stop paying taxes to the US).

                                In all cases, retaliation against a fascist regime will destroy lives, but it’s generally the better option. I mean people suggest to stop trading with the US or crash their economy, this is not victimless either.

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                                tiredofsametab
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                                I plan to renounce but I need to be able to help my parents if they need it. Family comes first here. I do not have to pay taxes, just file them; especially with the weak Japanese yen, I don’t make enough to need to pay anything.

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                                • J jimw@mander.xyz

                                  That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.

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                                  tiredofsametab
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                                  Indeed. It’s terrible and it’s also the reason we don’t visit family in the US (my wife is not a US citizen and barely speaks English). I do not support it, I voted against the current administration, and I have removed as many US companies as possible from my life.

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                                  • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                                    If Greenland was actually invaded, it’s part of the EU in all but name, and the whole EU would now be at war with the US. Even if we have no treaty (outside of now-completely dead NATO) and don’t join in, the US probably invades us to make sure, ala Iceland in WWII.

                                    I guess there’s a possibility Denmark cuts and runs. In that case yeah, there’s probably nothing we can do.

                                    If we were invaded and had a treaty with Denmark, the US would be at war with Denmark and hopefully the WWI cascading treaties thing would kick in and, again, the US would be at war with the EU. And probably the UK too since they have proximity to both the EU, and us through our sovereign - ignoring one is possible, but both seems like a tall order.

                                    Of course, the goal is to deter invasion in the first place.

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                                    niquarl@lemmy.ml
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                                    It is part of the European Union and also NATO. In theory if there was an invasion then Denmark could call their NATO allies to defend it

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                                    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                                      And Canadas next. This is not a drill. The orange shitgibbon and followers are not joking. Canadians will need to defend this country ourselves - even as our leaders continue to appease and suck up to the rogue US regime.

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                                      raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca
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                                      Exactly.

                                      Confirm your trusted networks and trusted comms. Start planning ahead. Store 72h of food and water, make sure you have spare gas for generators. Establish meeting points. Stock up on first aid and medical supplies. Set a family rule for breaking news: “confirm before share” (at least two reputable sources; pause on ragebait, defend against disinfo social fracture. Get to know your neighbours, get involved in community, learn patterns.

                                      If you have firearms make sure you have needed ammo and supplies.

                                      If you have budget, learn to build and fly drones… Start with a cheap sim.

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                                      • niquarl@lemmy.mlN niquarl@lemmy.ml

                                        It is part of the European Union and also NATO. In theory if there was an invasion then Denmark could call their NATO allies to defend it

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                                        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                        See, but the US is half of NATO. One major NATO member fighting another is not handled in the rules. It’s just a dead letter at that point.

                                        (Also Greenland isn’t technically in the EU, but I think it’s close enough for these purposes)

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                                        • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                          Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                          iegod
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                                          This is done because there are no consequences, no repercussions. A convicted felon and rapist is in charge instead of in jail. The checks and balances of their system have long since failed.

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