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This definetly seem very intentional…

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

    Sure. The line is somewhere between “I cast minor illusion to make an image of a cabinet, and hide inside of it” and “I cast Shape Water to freeze that guy’s blood.” In the former case, the spell never says I can’t hide inside the illusory object. Clever, useful, not game-breaking. In the latter case, the spell says a creature can’t be inside the water, but it never says the water can’t be inside the creature! Bad, shame, you lose all your spell slots until the next long rest

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    jounniy@ttrpg.network
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    The last one is actually covered by it I’d say, because (as by rules of spell targeting) you cannot see the blood and furthermore (as confirmed by “Water breathing” not working in wine) spells that affect water really only affect water and that’s it.

    I know you mean it as a joke, but in my experience, punishing a player for trying to find out what you will and won’t allow them to do is a good way to get players that don’t want to be creative. Just tell them that you will not allow it. (Also… poor Mystra for having to waste that much divine power on someone trying to use spells in a way it can’t be used in anyway.)

    If everyone at your table is habilitated fun, then… well, have fun, but I’d advise against it.

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    • J jounniy@ttrpg.network

      As hilarious as that is, are you sure that being immune to the form of imprisonment doesn’t just make the spell fail?

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      archpawn@lemmy.world
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      Fey Ancestry just says magic can’t put them to sleep. It doesn’t cancel all magical effects that include putting them to sleep.

      But it’s more complicated than that. Imprisonment has the phrase “While affected by this spell, the creature doesn’t need to breathe, eat, or drink, and it doesn’t age.” So, if you get rid of the only other effect (sleeping), does that mean they’re not affected by the spell, and thus they do need to breathe, eat, etc.? Or does the spell affect them, because it still makes it so they don’t need to eat, breathe, etc.?

      Though you could argue that that’s not the only effect of the spell. It also makes it so that you’ll be detected by Detect Magic. Being an elf doesn’t stop that, so you still won’t need to breathe, eat, etc. Unless someone casts Nystul’s Magic Aura.

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        Fey Ancestry just says magic can’t put them to sleep. It doesn’t cancel all magical effects that include putting them to sleep.

        But it’s more complicated than that. Imprisonment has the phrase “While affected by this spell, the creature doesn’t need to breathe, eat, or drink, and it doesn’t age.” So, if you get rid of the only other effect (sleeping), does that mean they’re not affected by the spell, and thus they do need to breathe, eat, etc.? Or does the spell affect them, because it still makes it so they don’t need to eat, breathe, etc.?

        Though you could argue that that’s not the only effect of the spell. It also makes it so that you’ll be detected by Detect Magic. Being an elf doesn’t stop that, so you still won’t need to breathe, eat, etc. Unless someone casts Nystul’s Magic Aura.

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        jounniy@ttrpg.network
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        I’d say RAI the answer is obvious. But by RAW it’s unspecified, so both could be true.

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        • mimicjar@lemmy.worldM mimicjar@lemmy.world

          A thin green ray springs from your pointing finger to a target that you can see within range.

          And no attack roll. Which is why I would rule the wall at the very least is destroyed, possibly continuing on.

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          jarix@lemmy.world
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          Can’t target the wall itself but the spell absolutley hits the wall if it’s a ray

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          • L lumisal@lemmy.world

            Actually that’s us seeing light.

            Edit: specifically, the light wavelength that remains at passing through the atmosphere. We’re but seeing the air still, we’re just seeing the color that makes it through to us. Saying that’s the air itself would be like saying you see the cities filtration system by looking at the clean water that comes from a faucet.

            A better example of actually seeing air would be to freeze it, and seeing the literal frozen air.

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            _AutumnMoon_
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            everything you see is light

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