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Did you really think it would be that easy

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  • S shalafi@lemmy.world

    Bravo on that headline OP! 😉

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    stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Why what did I do? I phoned it the fuck in

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    • S stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      Why what did I do? I phoned it the fuck in

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      _stranger_@lemmy.world
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      I think it’s lovely

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      • S stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        Why what did I do? I phoned it the fuck in

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        shalafi@lemmy.world
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        • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

          It seems like any sufficiently rich person, like a monarch, could essentially have someone on staff - maybe multiple people - whose entire job is to periodically cast True Resurrection, naming the rich individual. If they aren’t dead, the spell fails; if they are, they come back to life, and can name their assassin.

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          bob_lemon@feddit.org
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          Assuming D&D 5e rules, this is easily countered by casting Gentle Repose on the corpse every 10 days, or any other method of preventing natural decay.

          True Resurrection can only create a new body if the original no longer exists.

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          • B bob_lemon@feddit.org

            Assuming D&D 5e rules, this is easily countered by casting Gentle Repose on the corpse every 10 days, or any other method of preventing natural decay.

            True Resurrection can only create a new body if the original no longer exists.

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            koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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            I guess this comes down to DM fiat as for what constitutes “touching” the creature. For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body, which they were also taking any of those steps to prevent decay of?

            The 3rd Edition version of the spell is even more ambiguous. RAW, it doesn’t prevent you from “unambiguously identifying” the creature through a means other than touching the body even if the body still exists.

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            • S stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              I Cast Fist
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              NANOBLESSINGS, SON!

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              • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                Nobody would rule by birthright in a D&D world. Any leader of a country would have access to Clone, and would have no need for inheritance.

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                I Cast Fist
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                Funny thing, there was a 2e setting called Birthright, which pretty much made the game about developing land as a lord, rather than dungeon delving

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                • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                  I guess this comes down to DM fiat as for what constitutes “touching” the creature. For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body, which they were also taking any of those steps to prevent decay of?

                  The 3rd Edition version of the spell is even more ambiguous. RAW, it doesn’t prevent you from “unambiguously identifying” the creature through a means other than touching the body even if the body still exists.

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                  𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍
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                  For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body,

                  RAW and RAI that wouldn’t work, otherwise you could cast Inflict Wounds on someone by merely having a strand of hair from them. The RAW answer would be to have someone cast Contingency + Gentle Repose, though at that point you may as well add in a teleport or something instead

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                  • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

                    Funny thing, there was a 2e setting called Birthright, which pretty much made the game about developing land as a lord, rather than dungeon delving

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                    verseandvermin@lemmy.world
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                    #24

                    Oh. I just learned about this. I have no involvement in this channel but this video was neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGk9M-4dq4

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                    • V verseandvermin@lemmy.world

                      Oh. I just learned about this. I have no involvement in this channel but this video was neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGk9M-4dq4

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                      archpawn@lemmy.world
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                      I thought this was going to be spam. I recommend saying what you’re posting a link to. Or at least something that makes it clear you’re replying to a specific comment instead of posting that at random.

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                      • Aielman15A Aielman15

                        I tried that. The paladin Divine Smite’d me 😞

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                        dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                        Secular Smite them back, easy.

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                        • B bob_lemon@feddit.org

                          Assuming D&D 5e rules, this is easily countered by casting Gentle Repose on the corpse every 10 days, or any other method of preventing natural decay.

                          True Resurrection can only create a new body if the original no longer exists.

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                          dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                          Or stuff it in a bag of holding!

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                          • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍W 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍

                            For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body,

                            RAW and RAI that wouldn’t work, otherwise you could cast Inflict Wounds on someone by merely having a strand of hair from them. The RAW answer would be to have someone cast Contingency + Gentle Repose, though at that point you may as well add in a teleport or something instead

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                            dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                            There definitely should be some spells that work like that tbh, it’s a classical trope of curse magic.

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                            • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                              I guess this comes down to DM fiat as for what constitutes “touching” the creature. For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body, which they were also taking any of those steps to prevent decay of?

                              The 3rd Edition version of the spell is even more ambiguous. RAW, it doesn’t prevent you from “unambiguously identifying” the creature through a means other than touching the body even if the body still exists.

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                              its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                              Once those items are removed from the body they become a separate object. Maybe useful in divination, but not touching the body. If this were true the party could just cut off some hair hand it to the cleric and all their touch spells would be infinite range.

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                              • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                                There definitely should be some spells that work like that tbh, it’s a classical trope of curse magic.

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                                𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍
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                                That wouldn’t be a feature of the spell but of the caster

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                                  The king is a puppet of a dictatorial deity. The solution is to overthrow god.

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                                  Reach heaven through violence

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                                    astutemural@midwest.social
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                                    This really gets into the foundational expectations of the setting.

                                    In a reality structured to allow for Heroes, a leader must be one, or else be replaced by the next one to stroll through.

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                                    • I its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                      Once those items are removed from the body they become a separate object. Maybe useful in divination, but not touching the body. If this were true the party could just cut off some hair hand it to the cleric and all their touch spells would be infinite range.

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                                      koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                                      Okay, so, thought experiment. Someone gets cut into a lot of pieces. What do you have to touch to resurrect them? The largest piece? Any piece? No piece, the body is destroyed? What constitutes ‘destroyed’? If getting cut into pieces counts, then how much of the body has to be missing?

                                      RAW doesn’t really adequately address this situation.

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                                      • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                                        Okay, so, thought experiment. Someone gets cut into a lot of pieces. What do you have to touch to resurrect them? The largest piece? Any piece? No piece, the body is destroyed? What constitutes ‘destroyed’? If getting cut into pieces counts, then how much of the body has to be missing?

                                        RAW doesn’t really adequately address this situation.

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                                        its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                        My comment was about the plan for gentle repose, but if you’re talking about the resurrection spell it does have text that overcomes this problem, because it regenerates any lost limbs.

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                                        • I its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                          My comment was about the plan for gentle repose, but if you’re talking about the resurrection spell it does have text that overcomes this problem, because it regenerates any lost limbs.

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                                          koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                                          Sure, but… which piece gets regenerated? The one you touch?

                                          In that case, why couldn’t the spell be cast on the severed finger to regenerate an entire body attached to it?

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