Discord keeps walking into rakes, but TeamSpeak is thriving after 'incredible surge of new users'
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The point of scanning the ID is (supposedly) to verify the age of the user, not their parents.
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The point of scanning the ID is (supposedly) to verify the age of the user, not their parents.
Using a credit card or an ID are both just using a physical item to ‘verify’ an age of someone who may or may not be that person. Getting a credit card has a minimum age, so the end goal of age ‘verification’ is met either way although the ID has way more personally identifiable information like skin color, actual birth date, gender, etc.
It isn’t like scanning an ID verifies that the person scanning the ID is the person on the computer.
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Using a credit card or an ID are both just using a physical item to ‘verify’ an age of someone who may or may not be that person. Getting a credit card has a minimum age, so the end goal of age ‘verification’ is met either way although the ID has way more personally identifiable information like skin color, actual birth date, gender, etc.
It isn’t like scanning an ID verifies that the person scanning the ID is the person on the computer.
Getting a credit card has a minimum age
Not true, anyone can become a “verified user” on another’s account. That’s what my parents did when I was a kid.
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I’m unsure what is difficult about Matrix.
I’ve had several “casual” friends register and join my space on their own.
- Signup can be tricky.
- Managing your encryption keys is tricky for normal people (I know someone who signed up for it on incognito because they weren’t sure about it yet then got a bunch of confusing popups when they signed on with their phone).
- Room organization is missing a layer used on discord (server->room instead of list of rooms) leading to confusing moderation structures and nearly required manual organization of rooms if you’re in more than 10.
- notifications rules can be obtuse.
- having different commands based on the clients used can lead to confusion.
- most clients have security related popups that just confuse people (This person reset their identity!).
- people can struggle with how to properly interact over federation, much like in the fediverse
- screensharing tools just aren’t there yet
Things have been getting better fast for matrix, but its just not ready for the masses IMO. I still suggest it when I can when the use case makes sense.
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Getting a credit card has a minimum age
Not true, anyone can become a “verified user” on another’s account. That’s what my parents did when I was a kid.
You are a verified user for their account. That is literally using their card with extra steps.
Also, there is frequently an age 13 requirement to be an authorized user which would count for everything except porn.
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That’s 32 connected users to voice, not total server users isn’t it?
Correct. 32 people connected to voice simultaneously, but there isn’t persistent text chat. So really, only 32 users at a time, at all. The lack of text made me set up a Matrix homeserver instead.
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You are a verified user for their account. That is literally using their card with extra steps.
Also, there is frequently an age 13 requirement to be an authorized user which would count for everything except porn.
You are a verified user for their account.
Right, which is different from the user’s account, and thus does not verify their age.
there is frequently an age 13 requirement to be an authorized user which would count for everything except porn.
Discord doesn’t have a 13 age group. It’s just adults and children.
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Can we all not move to another proprietary paid service again? Good god.
Stoat has been wonderfully simple so far and is free and open source. It’s got voice chat. It’s only been about a week of using it so far so please correct me if I’m wrong or point out issues that I haven’t seen or mentioned.
It seems like the most realistic option to me since I doubt the masses wanna get into self hosting.
Stoat, both its app and website refuse to open on my mobile data. I doubt it’s only happening to me. Teamspeak at least lets people host and have control of their own servers.
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Stoat, both its app and website refuse to open on my mobile data. I doubt it’s only happening to me. Teamspeak at least lets people host and have control of their own servers.
Weird it works perfectly fine on my mobile data.
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Yeah, I get “address not found” regardless of browser. I’ll probably be keeping a closer eye on fluxer.
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Yeah honestly. Running the teamspeak server executable is hardly selfhosting, and they’re just another closed source proprietary service. Cool they’re still around after all these years I guess but they shouldn’t even be considered as a migration option.
Stoat and Fluxer are both open source, very straightforward and familiar, and I believe self-hostable. Much easier for casual users than Matrix too.
I know folks like the other commenter mention that Matrix is simple and all but I think for the average person that’s just wrong.
Maybe in the fediverse our vision of what the average person can do/understand with/about tech is skewed but trying to get some of my friends onto Matrix would be an absolute nightmare.
Not to mention the VAST majority of people don’t like playing tech detective to figure things out and just wanna sign up and move on with their lives. That is something stoat as offered so far while remaining free and open source.
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Yeah, I get “address not found” regardless of browser. I’ll probably be keeping a closer eye on fluxer.
Best of luck in migrating! I wish I had a solution for you
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Yeah, this bit was all I needei to know:
Besides all of that, if you’d rather not chat to randoms who also happen to have an unhealthy obsession with Arc Raiders, you’ll likely need to pay an admittedly small subscription fee to rent your own ten-person community voice server. By that point, you’re handing over card details and essentially fulfilling an age assurance check anyway. If you’d rather limit how much info your chat platform of choice has about you, there are arguably better options out there.
Oof that’s a no-go
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Can we all not move to another proprietary paid service again? Good god.
Stoat has been wonderfully simple so far and is free and open source. It’s got voice chat. It’s only been about a week of using it so far so please correct me if I’m wrong or point out issues that I haven’t seen or mentioned.
It seems like the most realistic option to me since I doubt the masses wanna get into self hosting.
I’m not sure which horse to bet on Stoat or fluxer.app.
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I know folks like the other commenter mention that Matrix is simple and all but I think for the average person that’s just wrong.
Maybe in the fediverse our vision of what the average person can do/understand with/about tech is skewed but trying to get some of my friends onto Matrix would be an absolute nightmare.
Not to mention the VAST majority of people don’t like playing tech detective to figure things out and just wanna sign up and move on with their lives. That is something stoat as offered so far while remaining free and open source.
Yeah honestly. Like I work in IT, have my own home server, run linux on everything, etc etc etc, but even I found Matrix to be a convoluted mess, and most clients have their own issues. I can’t imagine trying to get someone who’s not tech-savvy to try it out.
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Yeah no. There was a reason we all abandoned TeamSpeak years ago.
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I’m not sure which horse to bet on Stoat or fluxer.app.
Me either tbh so I did a bit of digging and found that stoat has been around a bit longer and (I know this is a dumb metric for this) seems to have more stars and forks on their github which indicates to me it’ll be around longer.
That said, fluxer has nicer UI imo and I think it has a few more features so it might outdo stoat in the future idk.
Ultimately, I think both are great and likely to be around for a while so just pick one and go with it. They both are open source, use the same license and all that. So you can’t go wrong.
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Yeah honestly. Like I work in IT, have my own home server, run linux on everything, etc etc etc, but even I found Matrix to be a convoluted mess, and most clients have their own issues. I can’t imagine trying to get someone who’s not tech-savvy to try it out.
Ok, I don’t feel to bad now lol I also found Matrix to just kinda be a mess. I don’t run home servers or anything but I’m a fairly experienced linux user and like to poke around tech and all that. I felt kinda dumb for not figuring it out tbh haha
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Stoat, both its app and website refuse to open on my mobile data. I doubt it’s only happening to me. Teamspeak at least lets people host and have control of their own servers.
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I know folks like the other commenter mention that Matrix is simple and all but I think for the average person that’s just wrong.
Maybe in the fediverse our vision of what the average person can do/understand with/about tech is skewed but trying to get some of my friends onto Matrix would be an absolute nightmare.
Not to mention the VAST majority of people don’t like playing tech detective to figure things out and just wanna sign up and move on with their lives. That is something stoat as offered so far while remaining free and open source.
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