This is how it should be used

As if I needed another reason to shit talk Alberta, but the list just keeps increasing

No thanks. Don’t want some power tripping asshole or racist to have that much power.

Photo radar is a cash grab. Have cops pull people over it’s much more effective at changing behaviour. And really shitty drivers actually loose their license so they get off the road.

All photo radar does is slow people down for the 100’s of meters by the site then they speed up.

The obvious solution is just get rid of driving. What other hobby is it accepted and considered a requirement to put other people in danger?

Stop speeding, don’t get tickets. Speed cameras are a tax on the ignorant and selfish. Keep them.

The obvious solution is just get rid of driving.

Or, you know, just be aware of the current speed limit and respect it?

They kinda do? I called in an old lady who had been playing pinball with cars at the local store, and almost backed into a couple pedestrians.

Cop showed up, noted hey inability to turn her head even to talk with him much less check mirrors - plus the assortment of dings on her car - and pulled her license. AFAIK she wouldn’t need a retest but she would need a medical note attesting to her ability to drive

Photoradar and red light cameras are just neoliberal regressive bullshit. There is clearly a structural problem because most people speed, roads are hazardous to cyclists and unpleasant for pedestrians, intersections are dangerous for everyone.

Photoradar and red light cameras ADMIT there is a structural problem, but decided the solution is individual actions.

Traffic deaths, speeding, dangerous intersections, bicycle infrastructure, active and public transit, human friendly streets, these are ALL solved problems. Traffic engineers have been writing out the solutions since the 70’s and the municipalities and countries who have begun implementing these solutions have seen MASSIVE improvements on all fronts.

The solution is increasing taxes on the wealthy so we can build proper, safe, enjoyable human scale infrastructure. Red light cameras and speeding cameras play no role in the solution. You can’t fix structural problems through individual action, this is just the semi-progressive neoliberal version “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”.

I totally get the car hate, and the vitriol towards unsafe drivers. But don’t fall down the trap of blaming individuals for the failures of the system

only the number one cause of death behind firearms in the US. guns and cars and 'merika…

but you, canada… I expected better.

A week ago we were on a 400km drive. In that time there were 2 completely separate fatal accidents along our route. Both were caused by excessive speeding. Not just 10 or 20km over the speed limit but excessive. One was figured to be going more than double the speed limit. One of the assholes took another innocent driver with them. I have changed by opinion on speed cameras and red light cameras because even on city streets so many drivers think that whatever speed they want to do is ok and they don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone else on the road. Unless drivers improve, I think every technological means necessary should be used to tackle them.

I’m lucky. I’ve never seen a fatal accident.

Fatalities are more likely at higher speeds. Training drivers to slow down and drive at a reasonable speed seems like a really good idea.

We can do both. Rebuilding roads to support active transit is going to take a lot of time and money. In the meantime, enforcing existing speed limits makes a lot of sense.

If the speed limit is too low then it should be fixed. Non-enforcement is stupid.

Let the robot do the robot’s job instead of having expensive police officers arbitrarily pull over unlucky losers to sit on dangerous shoulders and hope that nobody will accidentally kill the cop or the speeder.

Lol conservatives being conservatives “we want to be tough on law breakers except for the ones who break the laws that I break”.

Not really. Speeding isn’t people not caring to go the right speed. If that was it, only people who break rules would speed. Speeding is a structural problem from the design of cars which accelerate fast and have top speeds as high as double the highest legal died limit, and roads which are designed to be comfortably driven WAY faster than the posted speed limit.

Most people speed. The roads are designed for you to speed on. The cars are designed to speed with. Long commutes and traffic to go to an underpaid job mean people are driving at their most frustrated state.

Most people HAVE to drive to live, because of no public infrastructure and poor city planning.

It’s a STRUCTURAL problem. You can’t solve structural problems through individual actions. It’s like asking minorities to work harder as the solution to equality. Obama was able to become president so it’s got to be possible. It’s a distraction from dealing with systemic racism and poverty.

That’s basically the reason neoliberalism leads to neofascism. A neoliberal is just someone who admits there are structural problems but thinks collective/systematic solutions are “too extreme” and the problem can be solved if everyone just behaves the right way every time.

Individual solutions don’t solve structural problems.

Photo radar is a cash grab.

Yeah fuck those drivers and let’s grab their cash at least up until we can grab their licenses.

Have cops pull people over it’s much more effective at changing behaviour.

If only we had actual data analyzed by real researches out there instead of basing ourselves on talk radio bullshit like this

You got a source that cameras are randonly generating finea? Ive got 1 ticket from a camera in my life, my boss is a rampant speeder and he has gotten dozens. This seems more behavioral than random.

Obviously one’s behaviour has some influence, much like my grandma’s habit of playing the slot machines for hours on end means she’s seen more payouts from them than I ever will, and my habit of not driving at all means I don’t get many photo radar tickets. But one of the infuriating things about them is that there’s no way to know. Are not enough people speeding? Maybe the city will tune them to be super-sensitive to keep up their revenue stream. Did they make an error? Was it not you driving? Do you have some other excuse that would make a human cop say “oh, all right then, carry on?” Do they use the data collected to track people’s movements or any other purposes? It isn’t easy to find out. Automated law enforcement sucks, having surveillance cameras everywhere was a bad idea, speeding is already over-enforced relative to other traffic laws, and making law enforcement more inscrutable and arbitrary is not the best path to improving society.

speeding is already over enforced

Hard disagree right there. Do the limit on any major road andyou’ll find you’re slower than the flow of traffic.