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  3. 1/ Since @JohannaMakesGames was curious, here is a thread on assorted "Underworlds" from German folklore.

1/ Since @JohannaMakesGames was curious, here is a thread on assorted "Underworlds" from German folklore.

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  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

    9/ Mortals rarely rescued someone from such subterranean dwarf realms. They could earn great rewards - but upon their return they might find that many years or even centuries had passed.

    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/A_Girl_Ventures_into_the_Realm_of_the_Subterraneans

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    10/ There are some oddities when it comes to Underworlds, too - like this strange place where "everyone's life light burns".

    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Switched_Life_Light

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    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

      10/ There are some oddities when it comes to Underworlds, too - like this strange place where "everyone's life light burns".

      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Switched_Life_Light

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      11/ German folklore also had no shortage of sunken castles or other sunken places which might or might not be accessible to mortals of later times.

      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Accursed_Castle_of_Gammelin

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      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

        11/ German folklore also had no shortage of sunken castles or other sunken places which might or might not be accessible to mortals of later times.

        https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Accursed_Castle_of_Gammelin

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        12/ My favorite among these is the Lost City of Pontius Pilate, which supposedly rests in the ground near Forchheim (close to the region where I grew up in). But one day it shall rise again!

        https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Pilatusstadt

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        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

          12/ My favorite among these is the Lost City of Pontius Pilate, which supposedly rests in the ground near Forchheim (close to the region where I grew up in). But one day it shall rise again!

          https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Pilatusstadt

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          13/ A special mention goes on to the folkloric Venetians, who certainly knew how to access the Underworld and its riches.

          And their "Land of the Venetians" often took on aspects of a Faerie Otherworld.

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            @tuban_muzuru

            Indeed, although their fairy tale collection offers just a bare glimpse - there are tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands of German folk tales which were published over the course of the last few centuries. And many describe physical locations you can actually visit, even today!

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            My father collected stories in Niger and Nigeria in the 1960s. Several of them turned up in the Joel Chandler Harris stories, collected among the American slave cultures.

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            • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

              @juergen_hubert

              My father collected stories in Niger and Nigeria in the 1960s. Several of them turned up in the Joel Chandler Harris stories, collected among the American slave cultures.

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              @tuban_muzuru

              A lot of stories go back a lot further than we think. Although often hard to prove how old they really are.

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              • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                13/ A special mention goes on to the folkloric Venetians, who certainly knew how to access the Underworld and its riches.

                And their "Land of the Venetians" often took on aspects of a Faerie Otherworld.

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                14/ Another sometimes-dweller of the Underworld were the "Blessed Maidens" (sometimes called "Wild Women") of the Austrian Alps. Those mortals who visited them in their grottoes were often changed by the experience - and not always for the better.

                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Three_Blessed_Maidens_near_Morin_in_the_%C3%96tztal_Valley

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                • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                  14/ Another sometimes-dweller of the Underworld were the "Blessed Maidens" (sometimes called "Wild Women") of the Austrian Alps. Those mortals who visited them in their grottoes were often changed by the experience - and not always for the better.

                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Three_Blessed_Maidens_near_Morin_in_the_%C3%96tztal_Valley

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                  15/ Of further interest to both the people living at the time and modern #ttrpg players were the numerous subterranean "treasure vaults" - caves and chambers filled with riches, for the taking of those who were able to overcome the guardians.

                  Though some of these treasure guardians took on some unexpected forms.

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                  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                    15/ Of further interest to both the people living at the time and modern #ttrpg players were the numerous subterranean "treasure vaults" - caves and chambers filled with riches, for the taking of those who were able to overcome the guardians.

                    Though some of these treasure guardians took on some unexpected forms.

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                    16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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                    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                      16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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                      17/ One such lake - located on the Hoher Meißner mountain in Hesse - was said to be the home of Frau Holle - an incarnation of Hulda, a female goddess or great spirit whose footprint can be found everywhere in German-speaking lands.

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                      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                        16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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                        Tolkien's LOTR features such a lake, at the Western Gates of Moria.

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                        "Out from the water a long sinuous tentacle had crawled; it was pale-green and luminous and wet. Its fingered end had hold of Frodo’s foot, and was dragging him into the water. Sam on his knees was now slashing at it with a knife.The arm let go of Frodo, and Sam pulled him away, crying out for...

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                        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                          17/ One such lake - located on the Hoher Meißner mountain in Hesse - was said to be the home of Frau Holle - an incarnation of Hulda, a female goddess or great spirit whose footprint can be found everywhere in German-speaking lands.

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                          18 (FIN)/ I hope you have enjoyed this glimpse into assorted Realms Below from German folklore!

                          If you want to support me in making more tales like these accessible to an international audience - by translating them into English, releasing them under a #CreativeCommons Zero license, and ultimately publishing them in books and on this wiki - then you can buy my books and subscribe to my Patreon campaign!

                          (You knew that part was coming, right? 😉 )

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                          • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

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                            Tolkien's LOTR features such a lake, at the Western Gates of Moria.

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                            Watcher in the Water

                            "Out from the water a long sinuous tentacle had crawled; it was pale-green and luminous and wet. Its fingered end had hold of Frodo’s foot, and was dragging him into the water. Sam on his knees was now slashing at it with a knife.The arm let go of Frodo, and Sam pulled him away, crying out for...

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                            @tuban_muzuru

                            It's a popular theme. I mean, people in earlier centuries didn't have access to either sonar or diving equipment - so any lake where you could not see the bottom was effectively bottomless.

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                            • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                              @juergen_hubert

                              These are great ! I used to read the original, unexpurgated Grimm's stories to my children. They always liked the most horrible stories the most.

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                              @tuban_muzuru @juergen_hubert

                              Another was
                              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Bechstein
                              or
                              https://www.wissens-blog.12hp.de/germanische-mythologie/
                              or
                              Nibelungen, König Laurins Rosengarten, etc.

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                              • Fred_S_at (main)F Fred_S_at (main)

                                @tuban_muzuru @juergen_hubert

                                Another was
                                https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Bechstein
                                or
                                https://www.wissens-blog.12hp.de/germanische-mythologie/
                                or
                                Nibelungen, König Laurins Rosengarten, etc.

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                                @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                Ludwig Bechstein was a really prolific folklorist, and I have translated quite a few of his tales.

                                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_des_Frankenlandes
                                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Erster_Theil
                                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Vierter_Theil
                                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Erster_Band
                                https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Zweiter_Band

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                                  @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                  Ludwig Bechstein was a really prolific folklorist, and I have translated quite a few of his tales.

                                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_des_Frankenlandes
                                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Erster_Theil
                                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Vierter_Theil
                                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Erster_Band
                                  https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Zweiter_Band

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                                  Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                                    Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                                    @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                    Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                                      @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                      Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                                      @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                      I use this links list for my own research:

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                                        @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                        One must not forget the German Romantic period, Ludwig II Otto Friedrich Wilhelm of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein), and his court composer Richard Wagner (best known work – Ring of the Nibelung)..

                                        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II._(Bavaria).

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                                          @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                          One must not forget the German Romantic period, Ludwig II Otto Friedrich Wilhelm of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein), and his court composer Richard Wagner (best known work – Ring of the Nibelung)..

                                          https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II._(Bavaria).

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                                          @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                          King Laurin's Rose Garden – this legend takes place in what is now South Tyrol.

                                          https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nig_Laurins_Rosengarten
                                          .
                                          https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN729138968&PHYSID=PHYS_0007&DMDID=

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