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1/ Since @JohannaMakesGames was curious, here is a thread on assorted "Underworlds" from German folklore.

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  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

    13/ A special mention goes on to the folkloric Venetians, who certainly knew how to access the Underworld and its riches.

    And their "Land of the Venetians" often took on aspects of a Faerie Otherworld.

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    14/ Another sometimes-dweller of the Underworld were the "Blessed Maidens" (sometimes called "Wild Women") of the Austrian Alps. Those mortals who visited them in their grottoes were often changed by the experience - and not always for the better.

    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Three_Blessed_Maidens_near_Morin_in_the_%C3%96tztal_Valley

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    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

      14/ Another sometimes-dweller of the Underworld were the "Blessed Maidens" (sometimes called "Wild Women") of the Austrian Alps. Those mortals who visited them in their grottoes were often changed by the experience - and not always for the better.

      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Three_Blessed_Maidens_near_Morin_in_the_%C3%96tztal_Valley

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      15/ Of further interest to both the people living at the time and modern #ttrpg players were the numerous subterranean "treasure vaults" - caves and chambers filled with riches, for the taking of those who were able to overcome the guardians.

      Though some of these treasure guardians took on some unexpected forms.

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        15/ Of further interest to both the people living at the time and modern #ttrpg players were the numerous subterranean "treasure vaults" - caves and chambers filled with riches, for the taking of those who were able to overcome the guardians.

        Though some of these treasure guardians took on some unexpected forms.

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        16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

          16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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          17/ One such lake - located on the Hoher Meißner mountain in Hesse - was said to be the home of Frau Holle - an incarnation of Hulda, a female goddess or great spirit whose footprint can be found everywhere in German-speaking lands.

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            16/ Lakes, too, could represent a form of Underworld - with unfathomable depths inhabited by strange spirits.

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            Tolkien's LOTR features such a lake, at the Western Gates of Moria.

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            "Out from the water a long sinuous tentacle had crawled; it was pale-green and luminous and wet. Its fingered end had hold of Frodo’s foot, and was dragging him into the water. Sam on his knees was now slashing at it with a knife.The arm let go of Frodo, and Sam pulled him away, crying out for...

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            • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

              17/ One such lake - located on the Hoher Meißner mountain in Hesse - was said to be the home of Frau Holle - an incarnation of Hulda, a female goddess or great spirit whose footprint can be found everywhere in German-speaking lands.

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              18 (FIN)/ I hope you have enjoyed this glimpse into assorted Realms Below from German folklore!

              If you want to support me in making more tales like these accessible to an international audience - by translating them into English, releasing them under a #CreativeCommons Zero license, and ultimately publishing them in books and on this wiki - then you can buy my books and subscribe to my Patreon campaign!

              (You knew that part was coming, right? 😉 )

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              • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                @juergen_hubert

                Tolkien's LOTR features such a lake, at the Western Gates of Moria.

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                Watcher in the Water

                "Out from the water a long sinuous tentacle had crawled; it was pale-green and luminous and wet. Its fingered end had hold of Frodo’s foot, and was dragging him into the water. Sam on his knees was now slashing at it with a knife.The arm let go of Frodo, and Sam pulled him away, crying out for...

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                @tuban_muzuru

                It's a popular theme. I mean, people in earlier centuries didn't have access to either sonar or diving equipment - so any lake where you could not see the bottom was effectively bottomless.

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                • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                  @juergen_hubert

                  These are great ! I used to read the original, unexpurgated Grimm's stories to my children. They always liked the most horrible stories the most.

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                  @tuban_muzuru @juergen_hubert

                  Another was
                  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Bechstein
                  or
                  https://www.wissens-blog.12hp.de/germanische-mythologie/
                  or
                  Nibelungen, König Laurins Rosengarten, etc.

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                  • Fred_S_at (main)F Fred_S_at (main)

                    @tuban_muzuru @juergen_hubert

                    Another was
                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Bechstein
                    or
                    https://www.wissens-blog.12hp.de/germanische-mythologie/
                    or
                    Nibelungen, König Laurins Rosengarten, etc.

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                    @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                    Ludwig Bechstein was a really prolific folklorist, and I have translated quite a few of his tales.

                    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_des_Frankenlandes
                    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Erster_Theil
                    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Vierter_Theil
                    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Erster_Band
                    https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Zweiter_Band

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                    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                      @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                      Ludwig Bechstein was a really prolific folklorist, and I have translated quite a few of his tales.

                      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_des_Frankenlandes
                      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Erster_Theil
                      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Der_Sagenschatz_und_die_Sagenkreise_des_Th%C3%BCringerlandes_Vierter_Theil
                      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Erster_Band
                      https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/Category:Bechstein_-_Th%C3%BCringer_Sagenbuch_Zweiter_Band

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                      @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                      Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                        @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                        Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                        @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                        Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                          @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                          Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                          @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                          I use this links list for my own research:

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                            @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                            Old books with fairy tales, legends, old stories
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                            @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                            One must not forget the German Romantic period, Ludwig II Otto Friedrich Wilhelm of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein), and his court composer Richard Wagner (best known work – Ring of the Nibelung)..

                            https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II._(Bavaria).

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                              @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                              One must not forget the German Romantic period, Ludwig II Otto Friedrich Wilhelm of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein), and his court composer Richard Wagner (best known work – Ring of the Nibelung)..

                              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II._(Bavaria).

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                              @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                              King Laurin's Rose Garden – this legend takes place in what is now South Tyrol.

                              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nig_Laurins_Rosengarten
                              .
                              https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN729138968&PHYSID=PHYS_0007&DMDID=

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                                @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                King Laurin's Rose Garden – this legend takes place in what is now South Tyrol.

                                https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nig_Laurins_Rosengarten
                                .
                                https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN729138968&PHYSID=PHYS_0007&DMDID=

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                                @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                An old legend from Vienna
                                Der Basilisk in der Schönlaterngasse
                                https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/oesterreich/wien/vonaltenhaeusern/basilisk.html
                                .
                                https://www.culturalatina.at/de/kultur/mythen-und-sagen/item/1849-der-basilisk-in-der-schoenlaterngasse
                                .
                                https://www.ganz-wien.at/lifestyle/mystery/der-raetselhafte-basilisk.html
                                .
                                https://austria-forum.org/af/Heimatlexikon/Basilisk
                                ..
                                Der Basilisk – Tödliches, schlangenhaftes Ungeheuer
                                https://www.mittelalter-leben.de/mythen-legenden/basilisk/
                                .

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                                • Fred_S_at (main)F Fred_S_at (main)

                                  @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                  An old legend from Vienna
                                  Der Basilisk in der Schönlaterngasse
                                  https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/oesterreich/wien/vonaltenhaeusern/basilisk.html
                                  .
                                  https://www.culturalatina.at/de/kultur/mythen-und-sagen/item/1849-der-basilisk-in-der-schoenlaterngasse
                                  .
                                  https://www.ganz-wien.at/lifestyle/mystery/der-raetselhafte-basilisk.html
                                  .
                                  https://austria-forum.org/af/Heimatlexikon/Basilisk
                                  ..
                                  Der Basilisk – Tödliches, schlangenhaftes Ungeheuer
                                  https://www.mittelalter-leben.de/mythen-legenden/basilisk/
                                  .

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                                  @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                  Just think of all the legends there are in the Weinviertel region of Lower Austria!
                                  https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/weinviertel/sagen_noe_weinviertel.htm

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                                  • Fred_S_at (main)F Fred_S_at (main)

                                    @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                    Just think of all the legends there are in the Weinviertel region of Lower Austria!
                                    https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/weinviertel/sagen_noe_weinviertel.htm

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                                    @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                    I haven't read any of the collections about Lower Austria yet, but they are on my list.

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                                      @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                      I haven't read any of the collections about Lower Austria yet, but they are on my list.

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                                      @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                      More about legends
                                      https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/sagen.htm
                                      .
                                      https://www.sagen.at/doku/Haymon_tb/Schoenste_Sagen.html
                                      .
                                      https://www.sagen.at/doku/Innsbruck_Sagenbuch/Innsbrucker_Sagenbuch.html
                                      .
                                      https://www.sagen.at/doku/gullibuch/Gullibuch.html
                                      .
                                      sagen.at is a very interesting and comprehensive source. It goes beyond the German-speaking world.

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                                      • Fred_S_at (main)F Fred_S_at (main)

                                        @juergen_hubert @tuban_muzuru
                                        More about legends
                                        https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/sagen.htm
                                        .
                                        https://www.sagen.at/doku/Haymon_tb/Schoenste_Sagen.html
                                        .
                                        https://www.sagen.at/doku/Innsbruck_Sagenbuch/Innsbrucker_Sagenbuch.html
                                        .
                                        https://www.sagen.at/doku/gullibuch/Gullibuch.html
                                        .
                                        sagen.at is a very interesting and comprehensive source. It goes beyond the German-speaking world.

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                                        @Fred_S_at @tuban_muzuru

                                        It is, and I have read it in the past.

                                        However, for copyright reasons I stick to digital scans of public domain works these days. I put my translations under a #CreativeCommons Zero license, but the legality of doing so is tricky if the copyright status of the source material is unclear.

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