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  • Phil PlaitB This user is from outside of this forum
    Phil PlaitB This user is from outside of this forum
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    This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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    • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

      This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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      SteveJBS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @badastro I always 'kind of' knew about this issue. But when I worked in plastic films plant we had to check static charge on the rolls of film. It would regularly read 8-10 thousand volts, but all it would do is make the hair on your arm stand up. Meanwhile the 12 volt batter in your car can kill you. Fascinating stuff, electricity.

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      • SteveJBS SteveJB

        @badastro I always 'kind of' knew about this issue. But when I worked in plastic films plant we had to check static charge on the rolls of film. It would regularly read 8-10 thousand volts, but all it would do is make the hair on your arm stand up. Meanwhile the 12 volt batter in your car can kill you. Fascinating stuff, electricity.

        Greenpete :dustSprite:G This user is from outside of this forum
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        @SteveJB You start your car with 'batter'!? 😯 @badastro

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        • Greenpete :dustSprite:G Greenpete :dustSprite:

          @SteveJB You start your car with 'batter'!? 😯 @badastro

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          @greenpete @badastro After making waffles. Doesn't everyone?

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          • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

            This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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            Greenpete :dustSprite:G This user is from outside of this forum
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            @badastro Have you been met with much resistance? 🤣
            Great explanation, thanks!

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            • SteveJBS SteveJB

              @greenpete @badastro After making waffles. Doesn't everyone?

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              @SteveJB 😊 @badastro

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              • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                Blake C. StaceyB This user is from outside of this forum
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                @badastro I won a Scrabble game at MIT by pointing out that I could play "NEWTON" as the term for a unit of force, not a person's name.

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                • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                  This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                  diana 🏳️‍⚧️🦋🌱D This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @badastro

                  Good writeup. I was once hit by a 15,000 volt capacitor, but don't know the actual voltage that went through my upper body. Perhaps a hundred volts between two points... It was a very loud explosion and left me totally blind for a few minutes, soaked with sweat, very sore muscles, but still aware I was standing. Interestingly, no burn marks or identifiable injuries. I measured 7000 volts left on the capacitor when my vision came back and finished up my work...

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                  • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                    This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                    14mission1 This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @badastro Model trains usually run at 12v (at full speed). But you can put your fingers on the tracks, and nothing will happen. A 12v car battery, on the other hand.

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                    • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                      This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                      14mission1 This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @badastro But.... I find that talking about electricity via analogies to other forces, like gravity, or moving fluids in pipes, are helpful a bit, but always break down. Electricity is it's own thing.

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                      • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                        This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                        RobD1 This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @badastro OMG this is awesome, but I have to admit I was one of those using the nonsensical units and I should know better. I'm going to go sit in the corner and sob with my shame now. 😊

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                        • 14mission1 14mission

                          @badastro Model trains usually run at 12v (at full speed). But you can put your fingers on the tracks, and nothing will happen. A 12v car battery, on the other hand.

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                          @14mission I have held both terminals of a car battery many times. As with the model railway, you don't feel anything. How can it electrocute you?
                          @badastro

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                          • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                            This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                            @badastro Since decibels are a measure based on a reference, I propose a dBAU referenced to the AU. Then you could say that the car is about -208 dBAU away.

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                            • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                              This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                              arvindD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Excellent write-up.

                              Maybe you could have added that volts x amperes is power, which is energy per unit time. So a high value of volts x amperes (watts or kilowatts) hitting a person implies that person getting zapped by a large amount of energy in an instant. (I am ignoring nuances of DC/AC current, the basic point still holds.)

                              We should start talking about getting hit by so many kilowatts of electrical power!

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                              • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                                This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                                @badastro We had an optics table in the lab that housekeeping kept dusting… and knocking mirrors out of alignment. So we put up a sign that read “Danger! 10,000 Ohms”. Problem solved, except that the lowest-ranking grad student had to dust it.

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                                • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                                  This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                                  Marie et JulienM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @badastro "So, the higher the rock is dropped from, the more force it can exert."

                                  Terminal velocity joined the chat.

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                                  • Greenpete :dustSprite:G Greenpete :dustSprite:

                                    @14mission I have held both terminals of a car battery many times. As with the model railway, you don't feel anything. How can it electrocute you?
                                    @badastro

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                                    @greenpete @badastro Ok, read around.
                                    Looks like 12v isn't enough to overcome the resistance of your skin.
                                    If your hands were *really* wet there might be some danger.
                                    If the terminals were close enough to touch both with your tongue as when testing a 9v battery--you wouldn't want to do that!
                                    Well thanks.

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                                    • Marie et JulienM Marie et Julien

                                      @badastro "So, the higher the rock is dropped from, the more force it can exert."

                                      Terminal velocity joined the chat.

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                                      @mariejulien Asteroid impacts waiting to reply

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