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This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it.

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  • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

    This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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    14mission1 This user is from outside of this forum
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    @badastro Model trains usually run at 12v (at full speed). But you can put your fingers on the tracks, and nothing will happen. A 12v car battery, on the other hand.

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    • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

      This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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      14mission1 This user is from outside of this forum
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      @badastro But.... I find that talking about electricity via analogies to other forces, like gravity, or moving fluids in pipes, are helpful a bit, but always break down. Electricity is it's own thing.

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      • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

        This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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        No, you weren’t hit by 50,000 volts

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        RobD1 This user is from outside of this forum
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        @badastro OMG this is awesome, but I have to admit I was one of those using the nonsensical units and I should know better. I'm going to go sit in the corner and sob with my shame now. 😊

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        • 14mission1 14mission

          @badastro Model trains usually run at 12v (at full speed). But you can put your fingers on the tracks, and nothing will happen. A 12v car battery, on the other hand.

          Greenpete :dustSprite:G This user is from outside of this forum
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          @14mission I have held both terminals of a car battery many times. As with the model railway, you don't feel anything. How can it electrocute you?
          @badastro

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          • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

            This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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            No, you weren’t hit by 50,000 volts

            A rant about the misuse of scientific units

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            rosabeliniR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @badastro Since decibels are a measure based on a reference, I propose a dBAU referenced to the AU. Then you could say that the car is about -208 dBAU away.

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            • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

              This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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              No, you weren’t hit by 50,000 volts

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              arvindD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #14

              Excellent write-up.

              Maybe you could have added that volts x amperes is power, which is energy per unit time. So a high value of volts x amperes (watts or kilowatts) hitting a person implies that person getting zapped by a large amount of energy in an instant. (I am ignoring nuances of DC/AC current, the basic point still holds.)

              We should start talking about getting hit by so many kilowatts of electrical power!

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              • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                @badastro We had an optics table in the lab that housekeeping kept dusting… and knocking mirrors out of alignment. So we put up a sign that read “Danger! 10,000 Ohms”. Problem solved, except that the lowest-ranking grad student had to dust it.

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                • Phil PlaitB Phil Plait

                  This has bugged me for years but I only just now finally got around to writing about it. I guess resistance is futile.

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                  Marie et JulienM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #16

                  @badastro "So, the higher the rock is dropped from, the more force it can exert."

                  Terminal velocity joined the chat.

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                  • Greenpete :dustSprite:G Greenpete :dustSprite:

                    @14mission I have held both terminals of a car battery many times. As with the model railway, you don't feel anything. How can it electrocute you?
                    @badastro

                    14mission1 This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #17

                    @greenpete @badastro Ok, read around.
                    Looks like 12v isn't enough to overcome the resistance of your skin.
                    If your hands were *really* wet there might be some danger.
                    If the terminals were close enough to touch both with your tongue as when testing a 9v battery--you wouldn't want to do that!
                    Well thanks.

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                    • Marie et JulienM Marie et Julien

                      @badastro "So, the higher the rock is dropped from, the more force it can exert."

                      Terminal velocity joined the chat.

                      Phil PlaitB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Phil Plait
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                      #18

                      @mariejulien Asteroid impacts waiting to reply

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