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At #FediCon, there's clear acknowledgment that the #Fediverse needs funding.

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  • Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
    Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
    Chris Trottier
    wrote on last edited by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
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    At #FediCon, there’s clear acknowledgment that the #Fediverse needs funding.

    But also: developers, admins, mods, and creatives should be compensated for their work.

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    • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

      At #FediCon, there’s clear acknowledgment that the #Fediverse needs funding.

      But also: developers, admins, mods, and creatives should be compensated for their work.

      stuO This user is from outside of this forum
      stuO This user is from outside of this forum
      stu
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      @atomicpoet But if the #fediverse gets funded then it's no different than all big tech companies???

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        @atomicpoet But if the #fediverse gets funded then it's no different than all big tech companies???

        Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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        stu No, Big Tech companies prevent workers from receiving fair compensation. That’s literally what makes them Big Tech.

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        • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

          At #FediCon, there’s clear acknowledgment that the #Fediverse needs funding.

          But also: developers, admins, mods, and creatives should be compensated for their work.

          The Sleight Doctor 🃏A This user is from outside of this forum
          The Sleight Doctor 🃏A This user is from outside of this forum
          The Sleight Doctor 🃏
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @atomicpoet Here's where I simply admit to not understanding something.

          How could this be done fairly, i.e. without a small group of people having exclusive and undemocratic control over the purse strings?

          It's easy to agree with your post in principle, but what about in practice?

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          • The Sleight Doctor 🃏A The Sleight Doctor 🃏

            @atomicpoet Here's where I simply admit to not understanding something.

            How could this be done fairly, i.e. without a small group of people having exclusive and undemocratic control over the purse strings?

            It's easy to agree with your post in principle, but what about in practice?

            Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
            Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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            @ApostateEnglishman I mean, if I knew the obvious answer, I’d go ahead and do it. 🤷‍♂️
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            • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier
              @ApostateEnglishman I mean, if I knew the obvious answer, I’d go ahead and do it. 🤷‍♂️
              Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨M This user is from outside of this forum
              Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨M This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote on last edited by
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              @atomicpoet @ApostateEnglishman
              It comes down to organising and doing the marketing. I understand there are additional difficulties due to the decentralised Fediverse. It seems logical to me that the money flows from the users to the administrators and then to the dev people. If Signal can be successful with crowdfunding, so can Mastodon, for example. Since the Fediverse has no business model on making profit, there is also no return on invested capital.

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              • Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨M Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨

                @atomicpoet @ApostateEnglishman
                It comes down to organising and doing the marketing. I understand there are additional difficulties due to the decentralised Fediverse. It seems logical to me that the money flows from the users to the administrators and then to the dev people. If Signal can be successful with crowdfunding, so can Mastodon, for example. Since the Fediverse has no business model on making profit, there is also no return on invested capital.

                Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
                Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
                Chris Trottier
                wrote on last edited by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
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                @marcellinusme @ApostateEnglishman It is not true that the “Fediverse” has no business model on making a profit. There are several companies profiting from the Fediverse, and they’ve done so for years.
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                • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier
                  @marcellinusme @ApostateEnglishman It is not true that the “Fediverse” has no business model on making a profit. There are several companies profiting from the Fediverse, and they’ve done so for years.
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                  @atomicpoet @ApostateEnglishman
                  It may be important to distinguish between Fediverse implementations for profit and the instances for nonprofit. A basic requirement to do marketing well.

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                  • Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨M Marcel 🛡 ♻ ✨

                    @atomicpoet @ApostateEnglishman
                    It may be important to distinguish between Fediverse implementations for profit and the instances for nonprofit. A basic requirement to do marketing well.

                    Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @marcellinusme @ApostateEnglishman Sure—my standpoint is that unless a server explicitly states it operates under the aegis of a non-profit, assume it is either for-profit or possibly for-profit.

                    And the reality is, few Fediverse servers are under the aegis of a non-profit.

                    Certainly, your server is—mastodon.social is not the typical Fediverse server. There are prominent servers, though, run by for-profit companies.

                    But beyond servers, let’s consider hosts. Many of them are for-profit. Digital Ocean and Cloudron are certainly profiting from the many servers that depend on them.
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