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    ook@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Well yeah, that will be the potential first sign to look out for. If that happens no need to think it won’t get worse like everything else.

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    • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

      As far as I know the Steam DRM is not mandatory to use for developers.

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      dukemirage@lemmy.world
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      Yes, I still need to go through Steam for every install.

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        Larian Studios defends Valve: Steam's success is deserved

        While many accuse Valve of monopolising the PC gaming market, others argue that Steam\'s dominance is simply the result of doing things right.

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        Devs are still free to sell their game outside of Steam and charge whatever price they want for that version

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          I only buy games on Steam, GOG and ItchIO. The main reason I don’t give a cent to stores from EA, Ubisoft or Epic Games anymore is their services and terms are horrible. I’m all in for supporting competition when it’s good competition.

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          rustysharp@programming.dev
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          stores from EA, Ubisoft or Epic

          Better yet, games

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            Devs are still free to sell their game outside of Steam and charge whatever price they want for that version

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            phineaz@feddit.org
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            I think you’re not allowed to “sell” it for free with the same version and features. Which should be unsurprising.

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              Devs are still free to sell their game outside of Steam and charge whatever price they want for that version

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              njm1314@lemmy.world
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              Not and keep their listing in Steam they can’t.

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              • P psionicsickness@reddthat.com

                And it will last til Gabe dies. Then I guarantee it enshittifes so fast it will make your head spin.

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                skunkworkz@lemmy.world
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                He should turn it into a non-profit right before he dies and put the ip under a foundation or something so it can’t be sold off in pieces.

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                • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

                  Is discovery a dumpster fire? I mean sure it could be better but I dont think its a dumpster fire. It seems there are constantly new small team indie games doing wild numbers on the platform. If discovery was truely bad we would be seeing the charts dominated by big studios.

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                  stephen01king
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                  I guess he talking about the search system, which is a dumpster fire relative to other Steam features.

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                  • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

                    Competition keeps them honest, and right now we need more real contenders, not just storefronts throwing money at exclusives.

                    Then the competition should put in the work.

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                    stephen01king
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                    That’s kinda his point.

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                    • cosmicpancake@sh.itjust.worksC cosmicpancake@sh.itjust.works

                      Larian isn’t wrong, Steam mostly works. Stable client, refunds, workshop, Proton, massive userbase and tools that actually help developers and players. A lot of other stores still feel half-baked next to that.

                      But deserved != harmless. Valve has way too much power, discovery is a dumpster fire, and their communication and policy decisions can be arbitrary. Dominance like that rewards sloppiness and makes it harder for better alternatives to gain traction.

                      So yeah, Steam earned its place, but I do not want any one company owning PC gaming. Competition keeps them honest, and right now we need more real contenders, not just storefronts throwing money at exclusives.

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                      brrt@sh.itjust.works
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                      Agreed. I’d add the predatory lootbox/gambling in stuff like counterstrike.

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                        I guess he talking about the search system, which is a dumpster fire relative to other Steam features.

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                        FishFace
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                        Are we using the same product? There’s a vast array of quality tags that seem to genuinely work to find stuff?

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                        • Tywèle [she|her]T Tywèle [she|her]

                          Competition keeps them honest, and right now we need more real contenders, not just storefronts throwing money at exclusives.

                          Then the competition should put in the work.

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                          honytawk@feddit.nl
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                          The competition is at work, but too many fanboys blindly bashing on anything that isn’t Steam is making it very hard for them.

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                            honytawk@feddit.nl
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                            You think there aren’t a bunch of greedy finance whores biding their time until Gabe dies in order to take over and enshitify everything so they can squeeze as much money out of Steam as possible?

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                              Are we using the same product? There’s a vast array of quality tags that seem to genuinely work to find stuff?

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                              stephen01king
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                              You can’t filter using more than one tag as an “and” filter, only “or”. That’s pretty basic for a filter feature, isn’t it? It’s just surprising given how well implemented other Steam features had been in my experience.

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                                I only buy games on Steam, GOG and ItchIO. The main reason I don’t give a cent to stores from EA, Ubisoft or Epic Games anymore is their services and terms are horrible. I’m all in for supporting competition when it’s good competition.

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                                thingsiplay@beehaw.org
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                                I would buy from GOG too, if they provided Linux support in form of an official launcher. And if available also official Linux builds. Back in the days GOG did that, but they stopped doing it. And before someone comes after me, I know there are alternative launchers on Linux. But I don’t want to give GOG money for work others doing it for free. I don’t want support a company who only cares about Windows.

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                                  The competition is at work, but too many fanboys blindly bashing on anything that isn’t Steam is making it very hard for them.

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                                  koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                                  Which competition are you referring to?

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                                    thingsiplay@beehaw.org
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                                    I’m a fan of Valve and Steam too. But you cannot deny that Valve does shitty stuff too. In example Valve is the company who either invented or popularized Loot Boxes. And they don’t do anything about the Black Market for the item trading and selling, such as Counter Strike skins and so on. And there are other little things that could be done, but nothing else upsets me as this.

                                    But besides that, for the most part I love Valve. The commitment to support on Linux is unmatched in the gaming world. As a private company, Valve can do whatever they want. I genuinely think that PC gaming wouldn’t be this good without Valve. If anything, Microsoft would have the power… which in an alternate universe people have to suffer.

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                                    • S stephen01king

                                      You can’t filter using more than one tag as an “and” filter, only “or”. That’s pretty basic for a filter feature, isn’t it? It’s just surprising given how well implemented other Steam features had been in my experience.

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                                      fizz@lemmy.nz
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                                      He wasnt talking about search it was about algorithmic recommendation.

                                      But you can filter by multiple tags. When you click search select the advanced search at the bottom of the dropdown. It does all the things you mention and far more

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                                      • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                        Not and keep their listing in Steam they can’t.

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                                        You can though

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                                        • P phineaz@feddit.org

                                          I think you’re not allowed to “sell” it for free with the same version and features. Which should be unsurprising.

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                                          Krita is open source but paid on Steam

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