Just walk off the job.

If they don’t want unions, they get people who quit when the contract is over and they get to re-staff every time.

People don’t stay at union-wage jobs because they like being paid less. Remove the perqs and learn something new.

no that’s called censorship

Do you really think the teachers asking for class size limits don’t understand the nuance you pointed out? Do you think you’re the only one who understands the complexity of the situation.

It’s weird, because the experts in the situation - highly-educated people with experience teaching classes - are right there in case you want to ask.

My sister-in-law left Canada because she wanted to teach but couldn’t afford it here. She’s retiring in Sweden soon as a full citizen with a family and great plans.

(Imagine a decent wage and a good retirement, but also in a country where things mostly still work and make sense)

Well, those “ghouls” (seriously?) not only keep AB afloat, they make enough money so that we dont have to pay sales tax, which is a huge benefit to all Albertans. You only have to travel to other provinces to realize there is a MASSIVE difference to your wallet when you’re only paying 5% GST instead of an additional 7 to 10% PST on top. That literally makes my life better every single day.

Secondly, those “ghouls” (eye roll) also provide a LOT of very well paying jobs in AB which is why we are a have province instead of a have not province with the highest per capita incomes (over $96,400) in Canada. I dont work in O and G directly but my son in laws do, and the people who use my services do, so O and G very directly enhances the lives of my family. Solar/wind/other powers are nice but they dont provide great incomes.

Thirdly I absolutely reject the whole ‘climate killing’ virtual signalling of those who decry O and G because I know that Canada only emits 1.5% of the worlds GHG’s and the hypocrites who point a finger at O and G would not consider actually taking action against the 98.5% emitters, specifically China and the US. Have you stopped buying goods from China? Have you stopped traveling to the US or buying any goods from the US til they clean up their act? If you have, great, but 99% of Canadians haven’t and they dont actually give a crap, they just like to point fingers at O and G and yell about the ‘climate’.

Its far easier to point the finger at the thimble of pollution coming from Canada than it is to actually do something concrete about the shiploads and truckloads of pollution coming from the places where you cause it by buying all their goods. Take the plank out of your own eye and I’ll take your argument seriously.

I was explaining the issue for the NON educators here my friend. Im an ex teacher and a retired principal. My son is a principal. My wife is a teacher. Two of my daughter in laws are teachers. My father was a teacher. I GET IT.

I was trying to explain the complexity of the situation for those who’ve never been in a classroom and don’t understand that you can’t just say “Cap class sizes” and be done with it because it’s not that simple.

I read what the ATA was proposing about class sizes and it was quite logical and reasonable in my opinion and they did propose doing it over time in a graduated way, so I’m not sure why the gov pushed back so hard, still trying to research the arguments on both sides.

Just wanted to throw out there that class size and complexity matters a lot.

I taught in an Alberta public high school. I had a class of 47 students. And this was a split Math 20-3/20-4 class. Over ⅓ of the class had IEPs, and another ⅓ (at least) should have had IEPs, but they’d fallen through the cracks of the system and didn’t have paperwork on file to support a designation.

20-3 and 20-4 have virtually 0 curricular overlap, btw. I feel badly for the -4 kiddos in that class—they got almost no attention from me. It just wasn’t possible. The one EA in the class did what she could to help them, thankfully.

I got reprimanded by my admin for that class, too, since a lowkey fight broke out (nobody was hurt) in that class and I didn’t notice for about half a minute.

I left the province and haven’t regretted it for a second.

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She tries to frame the classroom size issue as a teacher safety issue. It’s not. It’s a quality of learning issue, which is not in the conservative vocabulary.

They simply do not negotiate. They don’t know how to.

I don’t disagree, but one thing is back to work legislation and quite another to kill collective bargainng altogether and impose a contract unilaterally invoking the notwithstanding clause.

No, they get people who are willing to work for less and in worse conditions in the jobs the teachers are quitting. It’s exactly what they want.

When the government refuses to negotiate in good faith and instead imposes a contract unilaterally killing collective bargaining with the notwithstanding clause, you bet it’s cut and dried.

Canada emits way more per capita than China. And China is a world leader in electrification and renewables. Again, things that we should be doing instead of glazing oil and gas. Roll your eyes all you want, but Canada’s 1.5% of global emissions, when we are 0.5% of the global population is an atrocious climate crime.

Your precious incomes will soon be worth squat by the way, the way the climate crisis is unfolding. How many times does your house have to burn or flood before you realize that? My own insurance premiums have gone up because of shit like this and my municipality here in Montreal has to completely rethink storm drainage with sponge parks everywhere. Who pays for that I wander? Look beyond your nose… Climate crisis resilience is something we all pay for. Plank in my eye, get off your high horse and face the music, buddy. The petro-state lifestyle is almost over.

And like I said, against regressive sales taxes. I want to tax capital gains, corporate profits.

It’s also ridiculous how you keep touting your life being better because of your wallet. I guess education for the next generation isn’t among the things that matter for a good life over there. I guess I’m too Greek sometimes and too stuck up on ideals of education. Who needs ευ ζειν when your taxes are low. Somebody tell Aristotle’s ghost the barbarians have other ideas.

Yes, we barbarians in the west hate education. Thats why I have 7 years of post secondary with two degrees and my daughter is not only a Ph.D but an MD. Her husband is an MD. And my son is a school principal with his Masters. We’re all just dumbies over here in lala petroland.

Since WHEN does the climate care about PER CAPITA emissions? Emissions are a GLOBAL problem which means the climate does not look at every person’s output, it only matters what the TOTAL emissions are. And even if we totally shut down the oil patch it wouldn’t make more than 0.5% difference. Thats a margin of error considering this is all based on computer modelling and the data inputs are what makes the most difference.

Lovely that China is actually trying to change its horrid practices. They are still 30% of the worlds problem. From ONE country.

The petrostate is here for another 50 years til there are better affordable, reliable alternatives. Get used to it. (The first time I heard oil and gas was in decline was in 1970. Yep. Still waiting 55 years later)

They’re definitely linked. My daughter in law has had several incidences where the classroom had to be cleared because a child was freaking out and getting violently out of control and the school’s protocol is to clear the classroom and call in the principal for help. Definitely affects safety AND quality of learning when there are too many kids with high mental health needs in a classroom.

Let’s go with facts: When negotiations started for this contract in 2024, they were offering 8% to teachers and no commitment to more teachers. They moved up to 12% for all teachers and up to 17% for those in divisions with lower grids, plus a commitment to 3000 more teachers. They have also committed to 130 new schools in the province over the next few years which is a 9 billion dollar project. They definitely negotiated.

Nice idea but a lot of teachers I know are parents with a family and a mortgage to pay for. Nice to say ‘walk off the job’ but when you’ve put in 5 years of university no one wants to start from scratch again.

What is ‘good faith’? This negotiation has been going on for a year and a half. The gov has moved from its initial offer of 8% to offering 12% for all teachers and 17% for those who were in lower paid divisions. It has moved from offering no extra teachers to hiring 3000 more teachers. It has also committed to 130 new schools at a cost of 9 billion over the next few years. The ATA didnt get everything it wanted, but its not like the gov hasn’t moved or made a substantial and reasonable offer.

Pay your teachers.