@Taskerland cbn 2e is a -really- good book to look at for contrast bc the entire initial premise is "shit we removed lodin, what happens to all the structures he put in place" (which, in true vtm fashion, it does via a hyper-scripted adventure module that relies on a werewolf crossover the mechanics do NOT support)

@Taskerland Lingua Franca of "ceilings"

@Taskerland I suppose for a lot of people VtM was the first experience of "not-dungeon" and about networks and masterminds, whereas for me a decade earlier that was superhero RPGs, hence why I am still fond of them.

And their airy trend towards lack of ceilings.

@Taskerland One of the interesting aspects of "maps made of people" is just how much academic research was done (particularly in the 1960s) into sociograms, and mapping models of interactions, and I wonder how many of those would actually be useful for notation and dynamics in games now. I think we're very quick to look to computers to create solutions that might simply be nicer on a piece of paper.

@Taskerland They used to do sociogrammatic analysis of crime before computers could model that much more effectively - I've always thought on paper it was a good style for seeing interactions between subgroups and motivations.

Also probably a bit of an ask from most modern RPG writers.

@Printdevil I can't parse those social maps easily. I'd probably find them easier if the social map were an overlay onto the space: big Ventrue in the centre, childer round the office spaces, and so on.

It limits kindred beef to physical proximity but that'd make sense.

Or to be more feudal, all land belongs to the prince, three childer lease thirds of the city, and so on, with sub-tennants all the way down.
@Taskerland

Isn't that because you can only walk sideways though?

@malin @Taskerland

@Printdevil vampires only snip sideways, according to the card game. Maybe Methuselahs are crabs?
@Taskerland

Methuselahs are Crabs is a very early nineties guitar led band name.

@malin @Taskerland

@malin @Taskerland

@Printdevil @malin @Taskerland according to most VTM write ups Methuselahs are Crabby.

Their hearing aids probably play weird boot up music jingles.

@Alexander_Anotherskip_Davis @malin @Taskerland

@Printdevil @malin @Taskerland with bubbles.

@SJohnRoss Hahaha you are always horrified!

@SJohnRoss Where did I go wrong?