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  • F faltryka@lemmy.world

    Thanks for the write up, it sounds like it’s maximum value is as kindling…

    But what’s wrong with the RimWorld dev, am I ootl here?

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    voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    #5

    Rimworld was originally coded so that all women were at least slightly bisexual, if not fully gay, while all men were either gay or straight. According to the creator - who vociferously defended this stance claiming it was based on “research” - bisexual men like me don’t exist.

    That’s honestly just the start of the rabbit hole. The game was hardcoded so that men always prefer younger partners and women always prefer older partners. Also women were eight times less likely to be willing to hit on someone. This is, to be clear, supposed to be a scifi game set in the future, but modelling sexual politics apparently taken from 1980’s TV.

    There’s an amazing breakdown of the whole thing here; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rimworld-code-analysis

    You can find the creator of Rimworld in the comments defending all of his nonsense and making a total ass of himself in the process. Unfortunately the rest of the comments are a total shit show because the average gamer simply does not have the mental maturity needed to handle critical analysis deeper than “graphics bad”.

    I’m told they eventually changed some of this stuff after enough backlash, years later, for whatever that’s worth. Maybe the creator actually did some learning and growing, and if so, good for them.

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      gigdragon@lemmy.world
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      It’s ALWAYS a horror show with FATAL. I’ve blocked EVERY group that invites people to fatal and my life is better for it. Mr Lake and Mr Foot? (no first names) Rot in prison you creepy fuxks.

      I would make a joke about kissing my ass, but discussions about FATAL often include a need for anal circumference. No thanks.

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        freddieslantern@leminal.space
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        At this point I feel the rpg culture should be firmly separated again from the mainstream only to have the mainstream stand between itself and this kind of awfulness.

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        • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

          Rimworld was originally coded so that all women were at least slightly bisexual, if not fully gay, while all men were either gay or straight. According to the creator - who vociferously defended this stance claiming it was based on “research” - bisexual men like me don’t exist.

          That’s honestly just the start of the rabbit hole. The game was hardcoded so that men always prefer younger partners and women always prefer older partners. Also women were eight times less likely to be willing to hit on someone. This is, to be clear, supposed to be a scifi game set in the future, but modelling sexual politics apparently taken from 1980’s TV.

          There’s an amazing breakdown of the whole thing here; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rimworld-code-analysis

          You can find the creator of Rimworld in the comments defending all of his nonsense and making a total ass of himself in the process. Unfortunately the rest of the comments are a total shit show because the average gamer simply does not have the mental maturity needed to handle critical analysis deeper than “graphics bad”.

          I’m told they eventually changed some of this stuff after enough backlash, years later, for whatever that’s worth. Maybe the creator actually did some learning and growing, and if so, good for them.

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          afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Harping on rimworld, One of the most moddable games ever made, for the creator not understanding the depths of human sexuality is a little obtuse to say the least.

          There are a lot of things that people won’t understand and there are so many mods to resolve this it seems silly to expect the creator to “get it”.

          I’ve been around gay and trans people my entire life but I still don’t think that I fully understand human sexuality or our cultural relationships with gender norms.

          Undoubtedly if I were to architect something like Rimworld I would get it wrong but I hope I would have the foresight to leave an amendment process so that it could be modded into fitting with people’s understanding in the future.

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            Ricky Rigatoni
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            It’s not even a fucking rpg since everything is a diceroll. It’s like pen and paper progress quest.

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            • A a_union_of_kobolds@lemmy.world

              Jesus. I thought Lamentations of the Flame Princess was bad…

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              voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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              I didn’t even get into how the underlying system is abysmally bad even when you try to strip away all the gross shit.

              Like, stats are generated by rolling 10d100/10-1. Yes, you read that correctly. Then there are five derived attributes generated as an average of four base stats, so if something modifies a base stat you have to recalculate the derived stat, but then those derived stats also set things like your carry weight, so you have to recalculate that and… It’s exhausting.

              Combat is atrocious. There are criticals, but they have no relation to each other, so you can cleave through someone’s appendix and their belly button but leave everything in between untouched. Magic requires you to roll to see if you say the words correctly. The whole thing is an ungodly nightmare.

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              • A afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Harping on rimworld, One of the most moddable games ever made, for the creator not understanding the depths of human sexuality is a little obtuse to say the least.

                There are a lot of things that people won’t understand and there are so many mods to resolve this it seems silly to expect the creator to “get it”.

                I’ve been around gay and trans people my entire life but I still don’t think that I fully understand human sexuality or our cultural relationships with gender norms.

                Undoubtedly if I were to architect something like Rimworld I would get it wrong but I hope I would have the foresight to leave an amendment process so that it could be modded into fitting with people’s understanding in the future.

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                voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                My issue isn’t with the mechanics; yes, I’m sure that stuff can be modded.

                My issue is with the idea that I should give my money to someone who will actively defend the claim that I do not exist.

                Put it this way; if there were no non-white people in Rimworld, and the reason why was because the creator firmly believed that by the time humanity gets to space white people would have “won the race war and exterminated all the scum” would you still feel comfortable giving that person your money just because “I can mod that out”?

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                • G gigdragon@lemmy.world

                  It’s ALWAYS a horror show with FATAL. I’ve blocked EVERY group that invites people to fatal and my life is better for it. Mr Lake and Mr Foot? (no first names) Rot in prison you creepy fuxks.

                  I would make a joke about kissing my ass, but discussions about FATAL often include a need for anal circumference. No thanks.

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                  vithigar@lemmy.ca
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                  There are groups that actually play FATAL? Terrifying.

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                  • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                    Rimworld was originally coded so that all women were at least slightly bisexual, if not fully gay, while all men were either gay or straight. According to the creator - who vociferously defended this stance claiming it was based on “research” - bisexual men like me don’t exist.

                    That’s honestly just the start of the rabbit hole. The game was hardcoded so that men always prefer younger partners and women always prefer older partners. Also women were eight times less likely to be willing to hit on someone. This is, to be clear, supposed to be a scifi game set in the future, but modelling sexual politics apparently taken from 1980’s TV.

                    There’s an amazing breakdown of the whole thing here; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rimworld-code-analysis

                    You can find the creator of Rimworld in the comments defending all of his nonsense and making a total ass of himself in the process. Unfortunately the rest of the comments are a total shit show because the average gamer simply does not have the mental maturity needed to handle critical analysis deeper than “graphics bad”.

                    I’m told they eventually changed some of this stuff after enough backlash, years later, for whatever that’s worth. Maybe the creator actually did some learning and growing, and if so, good for them.

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                    voroxpete@sh.itjust.works said in Just don't:

                    According to the creator - who vociferously defended this stance claiming it was based on “research” - bisexual men like me don’t exist.

                    I, too, spent much time 15 year ago sitting at the back of the bus reading Savage Love on my way to work. Research scientists, unite!

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                      sanctus@lemmy.world
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                      Honestly FATAL isnt even fun to read its just mad cringe. Like the most in depth look into the mind of an incel.

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                      • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                        Rimworld was originally coded so that all women were at least slightly bisexual, if not fully gay, while all men were either gay or straight. According to the creator - who vociferously defended this stance claiming it was based on “research” - bisexual men like me don’t exist.

                        That’s honestly just the start of the rabbit hole. The game was hardcoded so that men always prefer younger partners and women always prefer older partners. Also women were eight times less likely to be willing to hit on someone. This is, to be clear, supposed to be a scifi game set in the future, but modelling sexual politics apparently taken from 1980’s TV.

                        There’s an amazing breakdown of the whole thing here; https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/rimworld-code-analysis

                        You can find the creator of Rimworld in the comments defending all of his nonsense and making a total ass of himself in the process. Unfortunately the rest of the comments are a total shit show because the average gamer simply does not have the mental maturity needed to handle critical analysis deeper than “graphics bad”.

                        I’m told they eventually changed some of this stuff after enough backlash, years later, for whatever that’s worth. Maybe the creator actually did some learning and growing, and if so, good for them.

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                        altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        “How RimWorld’s Code Defines Strict Gender Roles”, it’s catnip power words for the polar outrage mafiosi camps.

                        That weird comment, my sides.

                        I don’t know why I haven’t heard about it, but it’s very fascinating to see dev’s biases leaking into their product just like that.

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                          How about some RIFTS? 😈

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                          • Ricky RigatoniR Ricky Rigatoni

                            It’s not even a fucking rpg since everything is a diceroll. It’s like pen and paper progress quest.

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                            Roll for the pen. Also roll for the paper.

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                            • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                              My issue isn’t with the mechanics; yes, I’m sure that stuff can be modded.

                              My issue is with the idea that I should give my money to someone who will actively defend the claim that I do not exist.

                              Put it this way; if there were no non-white people in Rimworld, and the reason why was because the creator firmly believed that by the time humanity gets to space white people would have “won the race war and exterminated all the scum” would you still feel comfortable giving that person your money just because “I can mod that out”?

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                              wrote last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
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                              I actually feel better about having pirated the game instead of paying for it. It also explains why the base game and all the DLC are around the same price and it never fucking goes on sale.

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                              • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                                There are people here who’ve probably never seen the greatest review of the worst RPG of all time.

                                There is no God, and the proof of this can be found in a .pdf file from Fatal Games.

                                And for those who don’t have time, the only thing you need to know about FATAL is this; it’s an RPG made by the kind of people who stormed the capitol on Jan 6. Horrifically racist, sexist and queerphobic, and designed by people so fundamentally stupid and lacking in curiosity that they can’t get even the most basic of design concepts right, but so utterly obsessed with the idea of their own intellectual superiority that they keep trying to reinvent every single wheel.

                                Some friends and I once got drunk and made FATAL characters. After 4 hours we gave up. We still weren’t done. There’s no decisions to make, character gen is 100% random roll. It’s just so badly designed that even rolling your base attributes takes forever.

                                By the point where we stopped the dice had informed me that I was playing an 8 year old lesbian prostitute, and understanding how that’s even possible reveals the depths of the awfulness at work here.

                                My character was 8 because you have to roll for age, and these morons decided it was a good idea for people to be able to random roll adventurers who are literal babies. Yes, 0 years old is an option. Newborn barbarian warrior, off to save the world.

                                My character was a lesbian because the dice said she was a girl, and the system said I had to roll for sexual characteristics, like breast size. Gross. Of course, the system also applied a massive downward adjustment to her breast size for being, y’know, an actual child. So she was an A cup. For those of you wondering how an 8 year was an A cup, it’s because these geniuses remembered to include an age adjustment but didn’t remember to actually include an option on the table for “I haven’t fucking hit puberty yet you disgusting perverts.”

                                Anyway, the reason we’re talking about this hypothetical child’s hypothetical breast size (thanks FATAL, God you suck so much) is because you then have to roll for sexuality, and for women this is modified by breast size! I am not shitting you, this is how unbelievably fucking awful this game is. Every big titted lesbian you’ve ever met doesn’t actually exist according to FATAL. I swear to God even the Rimworld guy had more brains than this.

                                And she was a prostitute because you roll for your career, but the careers all have stat minimums. Don’t meet the minimum, roll again. And being 8 gave her huge penalties to her stats, so the only career in the entire book she actually qualified for was prostitution.

                                If you feel like throwing up right now I completely understand.

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                                rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works
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                                Is that the one where you roll for anal circumference?

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                                  Is that the one where you roll for anal circumference?

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                                  voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                  It is, and that’s somehow one of the least offensively bad things about it.

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                                    How about some RIFTS? 😈

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                                    jarix@lemmy.world
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                                    I absolutely love the world(books) from RIFTS™. The system itself is… Painful.

                                    Though playing Palladium RPG did help me to understand how it was supposed to be functional, in some ways anyway.

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                                      libertylizard@slrpnk.net
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                                      I was tragically born without any common fucking decency (or maybe this is from being an unsupervised child on the early internet) but I’ve also heard the game is just horribly bad and unfun from a game design perspective.

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                                      • A afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Harping on rimworld, One of the most moddable games ever made, for the creator not understanding the depths of human sexuality is a little obtuse to say the least.

                                        There are a lot of things that people won’t understand and there are so many mods to resolve this it seems silly to expect the creator to “get it”.

                                        I’ve been around gay and trans people my entire life but I still don’t think that I fully understand human sexuality or our cultural relationships with gender norms.

                                        Undoubtedly if I were to architect something like Rimworld I would get it wrong but I hope I would have the foresight to leave an amendment process so that it could be modded into fitting with people’s understanding in the future.

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                                        turdcollector69@lemmy.world
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                                        Either you straight up did not understand the comment you responded to or you’re trying to move the goalposts.

                                        Either way, poor form

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                                          Roll for the pen. Also roll for the paper.

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                                          quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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                                          Could you clarify your instructions? I’m smashing two small loaves of bread together but nothing’s happening.

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