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  • A abettertomorrow@sh.itjust.works

    What’s the best Linux distro to play games? Im currently on Ubuntu 22.04 and won’t leave it as my main but I have a AMD TR 1950 with a GTX 1080 TI will to play some final fantasy.

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    codeblooded@programming.dev
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    #135

    I left Debian for Arch recently and let me tell you, you immediately feel the difference with running the latest drivers for your machine. The bleeding edge drivers have upped my frames per second significantly in videos games compared to sticking with stable releases on Debian (and Ubuntu).

    With the built-in archinstall script making Arch so easy to get going, I’d only reach for anything else if I really needed the stability.

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    • N nuxcom_90percent@lemmy.zip

      most of my programs existed on both

      Good on you. Plenty of people have many problems because a lot of industry standard tools (e.g. fusion 360 for CAD) don’t exist on Linux and actively break under Wine/Proton

      And my games just worked

      And great (and same). But most of that is just not actively breaking Proton. Which is the Wine team plus Valve.

      As for BF6: the point is that one of THE biggest third party publishers out there has spent the past year or so actively blocking Proton in almost all of their games. And for their new flagship title that they want to be the biggest game ever (ha!), they are already actively blocking Proton again.

      Which goes against the “many 3rd party companies are taking notice and releasing for both”. Which was already not even a thing since the vast majority of those aren’t doing linux binaries (tried that 10 and 20 and 30 years ago…) and are just not actively breaking Proton.

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      chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
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      You can use Fusion 360 in Linux with Wine. But instead of even trying that, I used my switch to Linux as the catalyst to switch to FreeCAD. Using FOSS just feels so much nicer.

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      • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

        Bazzite is the go-to gaming distro. It’s basically Steam OS.

        I’m personally a fan of Mint (old, stable) or Fedora Plasma (cutting edge), as both feel very familiar coming from Windows. I went with Mint personally.

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        chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
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        #137

        Bazzite is Fedora and you can get it in KDE Plasma or Gnome flavors.

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        • D D06M4

          Won’t miss those years tweaking Windows to uninstall or disable bloatware and malware. I don’t mind if more or less people migrate to Linux, I’m just grateful to those who are making and improving such amazingly good distros. 💪💛

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          chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
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          Instead you’ll spend your time littering your own computer with bloatware!

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          • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

            It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them

            No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.

            Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.

            This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards

            The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake

            So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.

            Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?

            The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control

            Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you

            Fuck linux

            Fuck the people who promote it

            That is all

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            offspec@lemmy.world
            wrote on last edited by
            #139

            The rage bait isn’t even funny anymore lmao, most used OS on the planet btw. Have fun sucking microsoft off I guess

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            • O offspec@lemmy.world

              The rage bait isn’t even funny anymore lmao, most used OS on the planet btw. Have fun sucking microsoft off I guess

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              Angry_Autist (he/him)
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              #140

              Only for servers, and of course the fact that you are dishonest about the metric just reinforces all I feel towards your ilk

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              • A abettertomorrow@sh.itjust.works

                What’s the best Linux distro to play games? Im currently on Ubuntu 22.04 and won’t leave it as my main but I have a AMD TR 1950 with a GTX 1080 TI will to play some final fantasy.

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                offspec@lemmy.world
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                #141

                If you just want an experience as straight forward as the steam deck I have heard that the move is to just run Bazzite.

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                • B Maxx

                  What an extremely normal way to respond to this post

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                  Angry_Autist (he/him)
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #142

                  what an extremely neurotypical way to respond to my medically induced outrage

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                  • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                    How is your idle VRAM (video RAM) holding? For some reason i have 1GB usage in Mint with Cinnamon without anything running, while on windows i have 400MB (although i have optimised them a lot).

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                    sorryquick@lemmy.ca
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                    #143

                    400MB??? What do you have running? I never use more than 100 unless I open a game or something.

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                    • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                      It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them

                      No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.

                      Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.

                      This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards

                      The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake

                      So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.

                      Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?

                      The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control

                      Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you

                      Fuck linux

                      Fuck the people who promote it

                      That is all

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                      archonet@lemy.lol
                      wrote on last edited by archonet@lemy.lol
                      #144

                      I am sorry you have such passionate hatred for something a bunch of nerds tried to do for everyone else for free, to be nice. I am also sorry you have apparently not tried gaming on Linux in the past ~3 years. It can’t be comfortable having all that pent-up anger inside you.

                      I myself used to be like you, namely around the early 2010s when Linux distros started gaining GUIs that weren’t stuck in the 90s. Where they looked sleek and modern and oh god were they not at all, they just looked that way. I tried to make it work, but every time I had to boot back to Windows to do something I eventually just ended up staying in Windows. I can’t fathom how fucking archaic and awful it would’ve been to use in the 90s/early 00s, you tried to struggle through that for three years? I barely made it a few months with Ubuntu 10.04 in ~2010. Something I said then, and still say now to Linux dorks who don’t “get it”, is that “some of us want to work on their computer, not work on their computer.” I just want shit to work. I don’t want to troubleshoot or tweak or fiddle-fuck with settings. My OS is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself – if I’m spending more time fucking with the OS than I am using other programs on it, something has gone dearly wrong.

                      Having said that, I switched to Mint about a year and a half ago, and it works pretty well for me, not nearly as many headaches as I recall when I tried Linux ~15 years ago. When I printed something from a network printer and it just worked without bullshit issues, I was floored. There’s still the occasional hiccup, but then, I also had to deal with occasional hiccups on Windows as well, and the terminal isn’t nearly so scary when you’re used to dealing with the Group Policy Editor and PowerShell. I can count the times I’ve had to boot into Windows since on my fingers, it’s definitely less than 10. One of the things I think I love most is that I can choose to postpone updates, or restarting for them, as long as I want without the computer thinking it knows better than me. I got shit to do, I’ll get there when I get there – and having Windows go “nuh-uh, you’re restarting now” pissed me the fuck off.

                      Having said all that, I will freely admit and agree with you that a large portion of the Linux community is made up of elitist twats who will tell you to go read xyz instead of being in any way directly helpful. Nerds are not generally known for their social skills. However, it really doesn’t do anyone any favors to be needlessly inflammatory. If Windows works for you and you like it, great, I’m glad you’re happy with it. But there’s simply no reason to be so aggressive over Linux existing, especially now that it’s finally becoming tolerable even for former Linux-loathing users like me.

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                      • O omega_jimes@lemmy.ca

                        If all you do is game, outside of a few key games (Destiny 2, uhh,couple others) the experience on Linux is better for many folks.

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                        serenesadie@lemmy.myserv.one
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                        #145

                        I do a lot more than that, so, hard pass.

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                        • B Maxx

                          What an extremely normal way to respond to this post

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                          scienceguy722@lemmy.world
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                          • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                            It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them

                            No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.

                            Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.

                            This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards

                            The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake

                            So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.

                            Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?

                            The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control

                            Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you

                            Fuck linux

                            Fuck the people who promote it

                            That is all

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                            Communist
                            wrote on last edited by communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
                            #147

                            None of this actually happened, give any evidence, nobody would tell you to read a book. This is clearly fake, go to any linux support subreddit or forum and find one example of this, these are blatant lies.

                            or you were a huge asshole to people providing you free help so they told you to fuck off, which seems very likely.

                            prove me wrong by posting one example, you won’t.

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                            • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                              Only for servers, and of course the fact that you are dishonest about the metric just reinforces all I feel towards your ilk

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                              auth@lemmy.world
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                              nope, its the most used mobile platform as well and there are far more mobile devices than desktops.

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                              • A auth@lemmy.world

                                nope, its the most used mobile platform as well and there are far more mobile devices than desktops.

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                                Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                                That doesn’t have any impact on desktop gaming PCs, which are the devices we are discussing here.

                                Again, another linux cultist who deliberately misunderstands to get their rancid 2 cents in

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                                • CommunistC Communist

                                  None of this actually happened, give any evidence, nobody would tell you to read a book. This is clearly fake, go to any linux support subreddit or forum and find one example of this, these are blatant lies.

                                  or you were a huge asshole to people providing you free help so they told you to fuck off, which seems very likely.

                                  prove me wrong by posting one example, you won’t.

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                                  Angry_Autist (he/him)
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  So, you are asking me to provide you screenshots of a usenet form from the late 90s?

                                  What the FUCK is wrong with you?

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                                  • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                                    That doesn’t have any impact on desktop gaming PCs, which are the devices we are discussing here.

                                    Again, another linux cultist who deliberately misunderstands to get their rancid 2 cents in

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                                    auth@lemmy.world
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                                    Offspec said most used OS on the planet and you said only for servers. You’re wrong its not only for servers so it is the most used OS on the planet.

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                                    • A auth@lemmy.world

                                      Offspec said most used OS on the planet and you said only for servers. You’re wrong its not only for servers so it is the most used OS on the planet.

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                                      Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                                      What fucking community are we in?

                                      Certainly not ‘c/SERVERGaming’

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                                      • M mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca

                                        The thing that confuses me is that Microsoft is no stranger to Linux. They use it in their data centers. It’s plainly obvious if you know what other offerings are doing.

                                        Their entire front end stack for azure virtual machines is OpenStack. Some years back they integrated with OpenStack to allow it to manage hyper-v, but OpenStack can also natively manage KVM hypervisors, as it was originally designed to do, and also VMware.

                                        Hell, I’d be surprised if there isn’t a Microsoft distro of Linux floating around (not available to the public… Not yet at least).

                                        The people who seem to be pushing Microsoft, more than anyone, are game studios. Their garbage Anti cheat rootkits work best on Windows. So use Windows so they can low jack your PC.

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                                        zurohki@aussie.zone
                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        Microsoft is moving away from allowing anything to run with those low level permissions after that CrowdStrike incident where rogue security software bricked millions of Windows PCs, so that might take out kernel anticheat as collateral damage.

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                                        • A archonet@lemy.lol

                                          I am sorry you have such passionate hatred for something a bunch of nerds tried to do for everyone else for free, to be nice. I am also sorry you have apparently not tried gaming on Linux in the past ~3 years. It can’t be comfortable having all that pent-up anger inside you.

                                          I myself used to be like you, namely around the early 2010s when Linux distros started gaining GUIs that weren’t stuck in the 90s. Where they looked sleek and modern and oh god were they not at all, they just looked that way. I tried to make it work, but every time I had to boot back to Windows to do something I eventually just ended up staying in Windows. I can’t fathom how fucking archaic and awful it would’ve been to use in the 90s/early 00s, you tried to struggle through that for three years? I barely made it a few months with Ubuntu 10.04 in ~2010. Something I said then, and still say now to Linux dorks who don’t “get it”, is that “some of us want to work on their computer, not work on their computer.” I just want shit to work. I don’t want to troubleshoot or tweak or fiddle-fuck with settings. My OS is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself – if I’m spending more time fucking with the OS than I am using other programs on it, something has gone dearly wrong.

                                          Having said that, I switched to Mint about a year and a half ago, and it works pretty well for me, not nearly as many headaches as I recall when I tried Linux ~15 years ago. When I printed something from a network printer and it just worked without bullshit issues, I was floored. There’s still the occasional hiccup, but then, I also had to deal with occasional hiccups on Windows as well, and the terminal isn’t nearly so scary when you’re used to dealing with the Group Policy Editor and PowerShell. I can count the times I’ve had to boot into Windows since on my fingers, it’s definitely less than 10. One of the things I think I love most is that I can choose to postpone updates, or restarting for them, as long as I want without the computer thinking it knows better than me. I got shit to do, I’ll get there when I get there – and having Windows go “nuh-uh, you’re restarting now” pissed me the fuck off.

                                          Having said all that, I will freely admit and agree with you that a large portion of the Linux community is made up of elitist twats who will tell you to go read xyz instead of being in any way directly helpful. Nerds are not generally known for their social skills. However, it really doesn’t do anyone any favors to be needlessly inflammatory. If Windows works for you and you like it, great, I’m glad you’re happy with it. But there’s simply no reason to be so aggressive over Linux existing, especially now that it’s finally becoming tolerable even for former Linux-loathing users like me.

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                                          Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                                          I tried Linux ~15 years ago

                                          fucking chatgpt bullshit, and here I was actually starting to think one of you may not be entirely insane.

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