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Valve invents new Counter-Strike 2 loot boxes that successfully dodge anti-gambling regulations

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  • L Luffy

    You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

    Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

    So you are just betting for what comes after that

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    koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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    The new case doesn’t have legendaries.

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      and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

      Just to be real: You can sell them for Steam Wallet funds, which is not “real money” since it can only be used on Steam.

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      koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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      You can sell them on hundreds of third-party marketplaces that let you withdraw to your bank account or crypto wallet.

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      • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

        You can sell them on hundreds of third-party marketplaces that let you withdraw to your bank account or crypto wallet.

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        You can do that, but you’re not allowed to do that.

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        • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

          Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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          koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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          I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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          • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 K 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

            You can do that, but you’re not allowed to do that.

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            koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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            #37

            Valve may not endorse it, but they certainly allow it. In fact, there are many skins that cannot be traded on Steam’s official marketplace, but only on third-party sites due to their high value.

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            • 0 0li0li

              Urg, AAA games suck ass more than ever. Thank christ for offline, AA and indie games!

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              alt_xa_23
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              Get ready for ‘AAAAA’ games:

              https://www.pcgamer.com/games/grand-theft-auto/god-help-us-all-gta-6-may-be-a-aaaaa-game-says-devolver-co-founder-and-thats-why-the-entire-industry-is-taking-cover-from-it-like-its-a-nuclear-blast/

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              • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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                jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                #39

                These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                  These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                  koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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                  I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

                  There are skins worth millions, so definitely you can.

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                  • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                    Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                    psythik@lemmy.world
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                    Agreed. The only time I’ll buy a skin is if it literally improves camouflage. I see no reason to buy a flashy skin that only serves to make you more visible to enemies.

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                    • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                      These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                      ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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                      That’s the case with a lot of collectibles. LEGO is a great investment but you have to keep it somewhere

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                        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                        #43

                        Leave it to Valve to find the most predatory monetization possible.

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                        • L Luffy

                          You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                          Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                          So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                          aaa@feddit.org
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                          Still the point is you don’t spend money without knowing what you get so it is better. Still predatory, but better

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                          • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                            I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

                            There are skins worth millions, so definitely you can.

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                            jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                            …who is paying a million dollars for a skin??

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                            • apotheotic (she/her)A apotheotic (she/her)

                              This is pretty disgusting. Just make a normal skin store where people can buy the skins they want at whatever price you(valve) decide they are valued at. No fomo. No gambling.

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                              joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca
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                              Isn’t that what they did? Except to help preserve the “value” if the rare items you still have to get lucky to be allowed to buy them.

                              If they had a store where you could buy the ultra rare skins for 1000$, that would push down the “value” if the skins more quickly.

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                                Before this shit existed (like back when the hottest shit was Quake), I thought it might be cool to get a professionally made skin everyone in the game could see for like $0.25-$0.50. A dollar, at most.

                                The first iteration of a system that could have potentially made that a reality, the things you’d actually wanna buy were $25-50. Like who the fuck workshopped these ridiculous prices?

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                                michal@programming.dev
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                                Adjusted for inflation, the price is probably the same 😅

                                But seriously they just charge whatever people will pay. It’s not like it’s free market, if people can’t make their own custom skins.

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                                • J joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca

                                  Isn’t that what they did? Except to help preserve the “value” if the rare items you still have to get lucky to be allowed to buy them.

                                  If they had a store where you could buy the ultra rare skins for 1000$, that would push down the “value” if the skins more quickly.

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                                  apotheotic (she/her)
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                                  The way they are preserving the value is a form of fomo.

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                                  • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                                    I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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                                    Cevilia (she/they/…)
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                                    But you can’t get your money back out. You only get Steam wallet credit when you sell it, right?

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                                    • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                      These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                                      noobnarski@lemmy.world
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                                      I bought operation cases for around 100€ 5 years ago, it’s now worth 1000€

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                                      • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                        Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                        spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world
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                                        #51

                                        100%.

                                        Make a fun game. If there are skins, include a handful of good ones with the game and call it a day. I’m there to have fun playing a game, not to try on outfits.

                                        Maybe I’m old.

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                                        • P psythik@lemmy.world

                                          Agreed. The only time I’ll buy a skin is if it literally improves camouflage. I see no reason to buy a flashy skin that only serves to make you more visible to enemies.

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                                          fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
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                                          “Camouflage is the colour of fear.”

                                          “What the enemy can see, he will soon learn to fear”.

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