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Valve invents new Counter-Strike 2 loot boxes that successfully dodge anti-gambling regulations

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  • J joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca

    Isn’t that what they did? Except to help preserve the “value” if the rare items you still have to get lucky to be allowed to buy them.

    If they had a store where you could buy the ultra rare skins for 1000$, that would push down the “value” if the skins more quickly.

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    apotheotic (she/her)
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    The way they are preserving the value is a form of fomo.

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    • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

      I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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      Cevilia (she/they/…)
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      But you can’t get your money back out. You only get Steam wallet credit when you sell it, right?

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      • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

        These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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        noobnarski@lemmy.world
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        I bought operation cases for around 100€ 5 years ago, it’s now worth 1000€

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        • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

          Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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          spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world
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          100%.

          Make a fun game. If there are skins, include a handful of good ones with the game and call it a day. I’m there to have fun playing a game, not to try on outfits.

          Maybe I’m old.

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          • P psythik@lemmy.world

            Agreed. The only time I’ll buy a skin is if it literally improves camouflage. I see no reason to buy a flashy skin that only serves to make you more visible to enemies.

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            fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
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            #52

            “Camouflage is the colour of fear.”

            “What the enemy can see, he will soon learn to fear”.

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            • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

              But you can’t get your money back out. You only get Steam wallet credit when you sell it, right?

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              appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              That’s where 3rd party trading platforms come in.

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              • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                Valve may not endorse it, but they certainly allow it. In fact, there are many skins that cannot be traded on Steam’s official marketplace, but only on third-party sites due to their high value.

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                appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                They tolerate it as long as they don’t do stupid actions that will alert Valve’s lawyers.

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                • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                  Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                  scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  #55

                  People who never used fpsbanana or joined a server with a bunch of skins.

                  I blame league of legends and then dota. Those things pushed matchmaking into cs and then gamer empowerment into obscurity. Even Microsoft’s version of Minecraft that they rewrote you have to pay real money for in order to save more worlds. There is a direct correlation between laziness and stupidity, and paying more.

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                  • L Luffy

                    You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                    Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                    So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                    Cethin
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                    I think it has an option to decline it too, so you don’t have to purchase to move on. I could be wrong about this, but I think this is what I heard.

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                    • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                      Leave it to Valve to find the most predatory monetization possible.

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                      slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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                      I think nintendo is so much worse tbh. Mario kart for example they shove the dlc in to kids faces the whole time. Nonono, you can’t play these tracks, but you van look at them. Here are all the characters. No not this one, you need your parents magic numbers.

                      Cases are silly and bad, but at least it’s adults who should know better.

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                      • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                        I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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                        slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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                        Sure, people will always care for skins and beanie babies. Everyone knows that.

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                        • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                          Leave it to Valve to find the most predatory monetization possible.

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                          arnitbier@sh.itjust.works
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                          Tf you talking out your ass fr

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                          • A arnitbier@sh.itjust.works

                            Tf you talking out your ass fr

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                            hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            Coffeezilla has a series on Valve CS2 market. Watch it

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                              Coffeezilla has a series on Valve CS2 market. Watch it

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                              arnitbier@sh.itjust.works
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                              No way I’m taking your false equivalent shit here, there’s nothing about Valves lootboxes that put it NEAR the industry standard of make shit game look good make money, lootboxes with GAMEPLAY mechanics locked behind, forcing dlc for basic features and micro transactions for consumables and to level up bullshit.

                              So suck my d*ck

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                              • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                /home/pineapplelover
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                                I’ve spent like 5-10 dollars on csgo skins. Haven’t gambled but just spent money directly towards the marketplace to choose the shitty skins I like. Some designs are just really appealing to me

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                                • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  They tolerate it as long as they don’t do stupid actions that will alert Valve’s lawyers.

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                                  venat0r@lemmy.world
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                                  Thier monetization benefits from it, as people are more willing to spend more on lootboxes if they have the possibility of a payout of real money. They’ll only put lawyers on it just enough to convince regulators they’re not a casino 😂

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                                  • A arnitbier@sh.itjust.works

                                    No way I’m taking your false equivalent shit here, there’s nothing about Valves lootboxes that put it NEAR the industry standard of make shit game look good make money, lootboxes with GAMEPLAY mechanics locked behind, forcing dlc for basic features and micro transactions for consumables and to level up bullshit.

                                    So suck my d*ck

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                                    laser@feddit.org
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                                    Surely this corporation is my friend

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                                      Surely this corporation is my friend

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                                      arnitbier@sh.itjust.works
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                                      #65

                                      Surely this criticism is founded in an informed set of facts not ooooh the corporation. Which is doing surprisingly well despite all the pressure, isn’t your friend ah ha!

                                      You tire rationality constructed sayings and subvert the very essence of what it meant and then, hold the applause, you resent people not liking your clearly look at me, its LEVEL headed and applies to other things (def not this but WHO CARES amiright guys?), Dopey, pick-me, bullshit.

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                                      • A arnitbier@sh.itjust.works

                                        Surely this criticism is founded in an informed set of facts not ooooh the corporation. Which is doing surprisingly well despite all the pressure, isn’t your friend ah ha!

                                        You tire rationality constructed sayings and subvert the very essence of what it meant and then, hold the applause, you resent people not liking your clearly look at me, its LEVEL headed and applies to other things (def not this but WHO CARES amiright guys?), Dopey, pick-me, bullshit.

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                                        laser@feddit.org
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                                        It is founded on the fact that Valve was one of if not the first companies introducing predatory loot boxes via TF2 and only changes the system to skirt regulations on gambling. They’re just doing enough to pretend that all this isn’t a virtual casino where they always take a cut. It is not only exploitative, but also dishonest.

                                        Let’s not forget that their argument that what they’re doing isn’t gambling was the exact same thing casinos did to skirt laws (showing you the prize of the next spin). You lose a lot of goodwill with such behavior.

                                        There’s no need to defend it, they’re doing just don’t, and they would even without these scummy systems

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                                        • L laser@feddit.org

                                          It is founded on the fact that Valve was one of if not the first companies introducing predatory loot boxes via TF2 and only changes the system to skirt regulations on gambling. They’re just doing enough to pretend that all this isn’t a virtual casino where they always take a cut. It is not only exploitative, but also dishonest.

                                          Let’s not forget that their argument that what they’re doing isn’t gambling was the exact same thing casinos did to skirt laws (showing you the prize of the next spin). You lose a lot of goodwill with such behavior.

                                          There’s no need to defend it, they’re doing just don’t, and they would even without these scummy systems

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                                          arnitbier@sh.itjust.works
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                                          #67

                                          See I’m not defending lootboxes or the companies that use them. I’m seeing a criticism directed at one of the LEAST offending players in the industry as if they are some cabal of assholes, like its hilariously under informed and your fucking YouTube video preying on your desire to have a boogyman is being pushed as if that isn’t the same level of bullshit.

                                          They get paid to push bullshit. You don’t. So you don’t get that excuse here.

                                          The point is the lootboxes are the canary and not the fucking toxic gas.

                                          Yes, it is lame that they unwittingly legitimized it. Free to play isn’t something that had been done successfully for games like that, large scale, hardware dependent. But they had no idea how that would go. How in the world were they to know what that would do to the industry at large? They fucking didn’t that’s how. League was still being openly mocked for its fiscally stupid “free-to-play strategy” and expected to fail just as so many games before them. Which became the free-to-play MODEL after the RESOUNDING successes of both League and Fortnite, and was seen as much more exploitative (locking characters and thus most of the game not just cosmetics) and though inevitably it became the literal industry standard after DayZ/UnknownPlayers: Battlegrounds came around and was FAR more influential at every conceivable level we still had no knowledge yet of it being a real problem (in psychology) That didn’t come till well into Mobile Gaming coming up.

                                          What exactly were they supposed to do instead? GoFundMe and Patreon? Barely existed and NO one smart would have trusted them at the inception. Especially for a big company.

                                          So EA and Activision/Blizzard and dozens of other players make entire series of games built around taking advantage of every aspect of human weakness. Catalogues of max exploitative schite. Then you have Activision and Take-Two and now even Sony and Microsoft and a half dozen others who buys up every developer and game rights then produces the same underwhelming but palatable crap or strait exploitative slop while exploiting the workers to the extreme, in both pay and insane time crunches, while holding onto fantastic franchises because theyre not what boils down to easily exploitable and really just don’t like risk and/or competition and you whine and complain about this? Seriously you moved past the low hanging fruit and strait into the branches for some reason.

                                          I just want to hear more about how Hitler isnt bad because he didn’t INVENT genocide or something its using your logic and its fucking ridiculous.

                                          Don’t care about fucking lootboxes with all the bullshit that’s worse that I lined out being way more prevalent. I wasn’t having a discussion till you showed up. Just pointed out that point. No one asked for your essay you got from a internet influencer masquerading as legitimately formed opinion coming about the place. Its attracting others doing just about the same thing, not thinking and upvoting common positions in leu of using their heads

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