"This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated
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Not gonna solve the union busting. Individual boycotts (without a campaign behind them) don’t work.
Oh well then do nothing then I guess
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No one can do anything about anything ever, sorry
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Oh well then do nothing then I guess
Which was what you were planning on doing anyway, isn’t it?
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Strange that as this is a UK news story which is particularly big for also being linked to the most gigantic game franchise in the world, I’ve not seen it mentioned in the news here at all.
I’ve only seen it pop up a few times here and there online, even.
Is it just that nobody cares, or is Rockstar buying off all the news/media companies? O.o
Traditional media see video games usually still as some waste of time for kids and have a strong pro-employer bias.
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It’s also ineffective as fuck…
Doesn’t matter.
At the end of the day, people actually making a concious decision to not support a company by simply not buying its product is the best you can hope for.
You can’t expect some random kid in another country to start looking into American Unions in fields that won’t ever apply to them.
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Doesn’t matter.
At the end of the day, people actually making a concious decision to not support a company by simply not buying its product is the best you can hope for.
You can’t expect some random kid in another country to start looking into American Unions in fields that won’t ever apply to them.
I didn’t say “join a gameworker’s union”. Joining a union is a good idea, no matter where you are and what you work as.
Not consuming a product is simply that: inaction. And the publisher won’t even notice it, if it’s not connected to a publicity campaign (like e.g. BDS)
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I didn’t say “join a gameworker’s union”. Joining a union is a good idea, no matter where you are and what you work as.
Not consuming a product is simply that: inaction. And the publisher won’t even notice it, if it’s not connected to a publicity campaign (like e.g. BDS)
Well, isn’t that what we’re doing here? The entire point is to communicate you stance to others. And there’s quite a few AAA titles that have suffered simply because the customer base actually can communicate.
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I feel like the only person in the world who’s never cared for GTA
We are also talking about gamers here. How many would give up gta6 just to take a stand? Most will probably say stuff like “no ethical consumption under capitalism” or “it’s not like it’ll make a difference”
Gamers gonna game
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Well, isn’t that what we’re doing here? The entire point is to communicate you stance to others. And there’s quite a few AAA titles that have suffered simply because the customer base actually can communicate.
Well, isn’t that what we’re doing here? The entire point is to communicate you stance to others.
What you’re doing here is not a coordinated effort.
And there’s quite a few AAA titles that have suffered simply because the customer base actually can communicate.
Lol. Whut? I can point to no example like that and ample examples where these kinds of “boycots” did squat (like e.g. with the original Modern Warfare 2 not having a server browser).
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Edit: You asked how to help and I answered. Were did I state that it’s a moral imperative to help if you’re unable to?
my point was that you are judging those who wanted to help as not doing enough. not being good enough.
not everyone can dedicate time. they’re not wrong for wanting to help and not being able to.
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my point was that you are judging those who wanted to help as not doing enough. not being good enough.
not everyone can dedicate time. they’re not wrong for wanting to help and not being able to.
I’m not judging people by stating that certain strategies don’t work.
It would be judge-y if I stated that they were stupid for believing such a thing. Which was not my intention at all.
Not buying a game is by definition inaction. It’s not the fault of the people that this is the only way left for them to “protest”. But as I said: it’s also not a moral imperative to do anything, if you’re not able to.
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I feel like the only person in the world who’s never cared for GTA
We are also talking about gamers here. How many would give up gta6 just to take a stand? Most will probably say stuff like “no ethical consumption under capitalism” or “it’s not like it’ll make a difference”
Gamers gonna game
This was always strange for my Ukrainian mind. Every Ukrainian I know boycott every russian product everywhere. So ethical consumption is indeed possible if you know about the issue and you have moral compass.
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Well, isn’t that what we’re doing here? The entire point is to communicate you stance to others.
What you’re doing here is not a coordinated effort.
And there’s quite a few AAA titles that have suffered simply because the customer base actually can communicate.
Lol. Whut? I can point to no example like that and ample examples where these kinds of “boycots” did squat (like e.g. with the original Modern Warfare 2 not having a server browser).
Well, it has to start somewhere.
From Dragon Age: Veilguard and Suicide Squad to Condord and Redfall. They all underperformed for the same reason. People talked.
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I’m not judging people by stating that certain strategies don’t work.
It would be judge-y if I stated that they were stupid for believing such a thing. Which was not my intention at all.
Not buying a game is by definition inaction. It’s not the fault of the people that this is the only way left for them to “protest”. But as I said: it’s also not a moral imperative to do anything, if you’re not able to.
Why do you care so much about someone deciding not to buy a game as a result of this? I would say if someone who planned to buy the game decided not to because of this it makes an impact on that person.
That person gets asked by a friend why they didn’t pre-order. they tell them. that friend who didn’t know now knows. it spreads.
you are not the judge of what is and isn’t impactful. or what does and doesn’t matter.
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Or better yet: form the union out of spite. All of them.
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Well, it has to start somewhere.
From Dragon Age: Veilguard and Suicide Squad to Condord and Redfall. They all underperformed for the same reason. People talked.
Good luck with that with GT fucking A 6…
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Why do you care so much about someone deciding not to buy a game as a result of this? I would say if someone who planned to buy the game decided not to because of this it makes an impact on that person.
That person gets asked by a friend why they didn’t pre-order. they tell them. that friend who didn’t know now knows. it spreads.
you are not the judge of what is and isn’t impactful. or what does and doesn’t matter.
How does that signal reach Take2? How will Take2 know that these sales that will not have happened were due to their union busting?
When will those people “cave in” and simply buy the game whenit’s been released for 4 years on discount? These things don’t work without a PR campaign. I don’t make the rules. I’m sim’ly the messengere
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Good luck with that with GT fucking A 6…
I have no interest in the GTA franchise, personally. I’m more interested in what goes on behind the scenes. The industry is in a bit of a turmoil at the moment and that definitely has my attention.
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I have no interest in the GTA franchise, personally. I’m more interested in what goes on behind the scenes. The industry is in a bit of a turmoil at the moment and that definitely has my attention.
Your lack of interest hasn’t stopped the franchise being like the second biggest video game franchise. I’m afraid that this won’t notably hurt their sales. Especially since you probably weren’t gonna buy it anyway.
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Your lack of interest hasn’t stopped the franchise being like the second biggest video game franchise. I’m afraid that this won’t notably hurt their sales. Especially since you probably weren’t gonna buy it anyway.
Nope, but I’d encourage anyone who would have bought it, but are now on the fence due their own moral reasons, to stick with their gut. A piece of entertainment isn’t more important than personal principles, regardless of it’s popularity and how many others may buy it anyway.
