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    grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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      but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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      It’s almost as if the stories of dragons were an allegory for the king or the one sin charge

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      • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

        Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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        trevita17@lemmy.world
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        You need massive amounts of wealth to gain and maintain a monopoly on violence. So they did both.

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        • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

          I wanna run an adventure where a dragon secretly runs a bank, and nobody can tell because it acts exactly like every other banker.

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          spittingimage@lemmy.world
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          No spoilers, but you should check out the Sword Interval webcomic.

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          • T trevita17@lemmy.world

            You need massive amounts of wealth to gain and maintain a monopoly on violence. So they did both.

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            captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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            Also if you possess a monopoly on violence wealth is not difficult to obtain

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            • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

              Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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              wanderingthoughts@europe.pub
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              The wealth was needed to pay soldiers. You needed soldiers to make sure people did what the king wanted, such as people paying taxes to get wealth. The whole thing with taxes and needing gold as money was basically invented for supporting militia, according to some.

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                Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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                barneypiccolo@lemmy.today
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                Armies are expensive, and war is REALLY expensive.

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                • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

                  Also if you possess a monopoly on violence wealth is not difficult to obtain

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                  edgemaster72@lemmy.world
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                  And once you have that wealth you NEED a monopoly on violence to maintain it, which requires more wealth, and so on.

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                  • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                    It’s almost as if the stories of dragons were an allegory for the king or the one sin charge

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                    faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                    I too have played the Shadowrun Returns series

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                    • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

                      Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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                      faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                      IIRC everything you had was considered to be used by permission of the king. Like, he ostensibly owned everything and was just letting you use it.

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                        mydarkesttimeline01@ani.social
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                        I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                        And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                        Aragorn

                        T’Challa/Black Panther

                        Mufasa

                        King Arthur

                        King Leonidas

                        King Tirian

                        Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                        Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                        Empress Wu Zerian

                        Cyrus the Great

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                        • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

                          IIRC everything you had was considered to be used by permission of the king. Like, he ostensibly owned everything and was just letting you use it.

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                          m4xie@lemmy.ca
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                          There have been various degrees of absolutely and constitutional monarchies throughout history. One famous example is the limits imposed by the Magna Carta, which only benefited nobles.

                          There has often been a distinction between royal property and the personal property of the royal family or members of the royal family.

                          For instance, many of the palaces of the British royal family are national property and Parliament has a say in their use and must provide a budget for their upkeep. The total family privately owns a significant percentage of the rented agricultural land in England, and vast amounts of residential rentals in London.

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                          • M mirshe@lemmy.world

                            In actuality, most corpos are run by people. Lofwyr, whose corporate umbrella includes 4758 companies, is an outlier and should not have been counted. /s

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                            dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                            But Lofwyr literally controls 95% of the GDP with those companies, who are run by his extended family!

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                            • mydarkesttimeline01@ani.socialM mydarkesttimeline01@ani.social

                              I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                              And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                              Aragorn

                              T’Challa/Black Panther

                              Mufasa

                              King Arthur

                              King Leonidas

                              King Tirian

                              Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                              Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                              Empress Wu Zerian

                              Cyrus the Great

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                              solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              A yes, the benevolent ruler, almost as common as the benevolent slave owner.

                              Funded infrastructure

                              Or, returned a small amount of the value extracted in order to facilitate further extraction

                              Hired knights to

                              Keep his interests safe

                              (Hoarded resources and returned a pittance to prop up) food stores and the economy in times of famine

                              Negotiated with neighboring kingdoms

                              To further state interests

                              Funded research

                              At public expense for private gain

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                              • mydarkesttimeline01@ani.socialM mydarkesttimeline01@ani.social

                                I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                                And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                                Aragorn

                                T’Challa/Black Panther

                                Mufasa

                                King Arthur

                                King Leonidas

                                King Tirian

                                Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                                Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                                Empress Wu Zerian

                                Cyrus the Great

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                                dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                                Show me this king that personally leads the road building crew

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                                  sam_bass@lemmy.world
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                                  Here there be

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                                  • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                                    Show me this king that personally leads the road building crew

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                                    bigbananadealer@lemmy.world
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                                    show me a dragon that doesnt burn down villages

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                                    • W weirdbeardgame

                                      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-d29z8G6U28 And here this exact post is, animated with the original voice acting!

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                                      finitebanjo
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                                      Well

                                      No

                                      the voice acting comes from a different channel @ZacSpeaksGiant‬ but the animator and him have a mutually beneficial relationship.

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                                      • mydarkesttimeline01@ani.socialM mydarkesttimeline01@ani.social

                                        I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                                        And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                                        Aragorn

                                        T’Challa/Black Panther

                                        Mufasa

                                        King Arthur

                                        King Leonidas

                                        King Tirian

                                        Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                                        Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                                        Empress Wu Zerian

                                        Cyrus the Great

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                                        zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Never would have thought to find a shill for royalty in the year 2025

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                                        • B bigbananadealer@lemmy.world

                                          show me a dragon that doesnt burn down villages

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                                          leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          Show us a fucking dragon

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