What was the alternative? I would have loved to vote NDP, and usually do in local elections, but they stood no chance. I wasn’t so much voting for Carney as against Poilievre.

Corruption and polarization thrives under two-party systems.

They stood no realistic chance of getting in.

Withhold your volunteering and donating to the liberals since they already get so much money from the rich consistently. They will always put their interests before everyday canadians.

Strategically vote if you have to and redirect your efforts to the independents, fairvote and smaller parties.

Unfortunately they weren’t an option though. NDP members even encouraged NDP voters to vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives. The NDP should have been an option, but they weren’t. The NDP were only an “option” this election in the same way the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada or the Animal Protection Party were options; they exist.

I have hopes (probably unrealistic) that the NDP comes back swinging HARD, screaming about social services, programs, and taxes on the wealthy, and not shutting up leading up to 2029. I hope Mamdani in NY can prove in his first 3 months leading up to when the NDP has their leadership vote that if social programs can work in the US, we can significantly increase those structures here.

The NDP can be relevent again for the next election (I hope), but they just weren’t for this last one.

Maybe canada should stop preaching about human right values if they still support the longest standing occupation in the world. NPD platform was not about palestine only. Outside of the debate npd never talked about Palestine in the compaign

I kept reading on here how Carney was such a smart choice, because of his work with the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Not like that job scream “fucking over the poor” or anything… /s

Even a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would have been better than a minority neo-liberal (read fiscal conservative) and conservative (read morally conservative) government with no one to stop them.

The liberals are so conservative under Carney that conservatives are jumping to his party ffs.

The NDP. Even under Jagmeet we would’ve had a better deal than this shit consevative sandwich that we have right now.

There’s a third, even fourth option. A strong NDP in a minority government would’ve gone a long way.

You know minority governments are a thing though, right? I keep saying it in every comment here. Even a conservative minority with a strong NDP to keep it in check and demand compromises would’ve been better. At least there would’ve been a socialist influence.

The NDP isn’t just Singh. There’s a whole team behind him. And at least his heart’s at the right place.

Again, a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would’ve been better than an entirely conservative government like the one we have right now. (Fiscally conservative + morally conservative)

There’s more than two options. This isn’t the U.S.

As someone who promotes fairvote.ca and how broken FPTP is, you’re aware that FPTP promotes a two-party system. In Canada, the only two players on the national level are the liberals and conservatives. And a lot of people voted liberal because they really didn’t want conservative. The liberals didn’t have to do anything to get this result - the system is behaving as designed.

Better? Yes. An option? Unfortunately no, not this election.

Even a minority conservative government with a strong NDP

Surely you jest… not only your “better” alternative is entirely hypothetical, and impossible for the electorate to target… but giving power to the maple magas would be suicide and never ever conductive to compromise of any kind

Just look south and you can see the playbook the cons here would apply (they have adopted it all). PP would starve the most vulnerable Canadians to force a vote on making it illegal to say the word “trans”

Carney is a heartless bastard and we do need to fight this budget but to pretend flirting with maple maga is a better alternative is laughable

Still probably much better than the alternative.

Although, as long as the populace allows corporations to financially incentivize politics, corruption is going to be the default mode.

Carney being a fiscal conservative / pro-free market / pro-private sector business person isn’t a surprise to anyone who’s paid attention to his career. That the liberals are a centrist party who’s values skew left / right based on the perceived ‘majority’ that exists in the centre, which is the demographic they attempt to target to get elected, isn’t a surprise to anyone who’s paid attention to the history of the liberal party. That Canada’s general sentiment is/had shifted towards the right, in part due to the perception of unequal treatment under the guise of initiatives such as DEI and equity programs, isn’t a surprise to anyone who’s followed social trends (at least, those who try to get a fairly ‘outside of an echo chamber’ feel for them).

This isn’t to say I support the tax breaks being given to the rich of course. If I had my way, we’d go in a much different direction. All I’m trying to get at is that this isn’t all that surprising to many, and it’s likely still an outcome they viewed as preferable to PP’s conservatives, and to the NDP. Hell, the NDP basically said vote liberal if it helped to stop the Cons.

I’m sure part of the hope is that the liberals will shift right far enough, that the cons won’t have a viable path to full control of the government. In theory that’ll open up more room for the NDP on the left. Where people who are for some reason ‘shocked’ by Carney’s moves, will find solace.

What’s more shocking to me in a way is how far to the left the Liberals had drifted, as a centrist party. That’s what opened up opportunities for the cons to make such large gains, and what caused the NDP to be so thoroughly routed. Seeing cons cross the isle because the Liberals are once again more ‘centrist’ in their values, isn’t a bad thing.

I think that is the point. The establishment can force a person in when the other is straight up evil.

How much farther right does the centrist party needs to go before the far-right option drops of the table and the “leftist” option becomes viable as the new center? The southern neighbour has shown us: too much