My prime example would be Donald Trump. Hideously looking and true evil while dumping strength, dexterity, constitution (unfortunately not enough), intelligence and wisdom, but he undeniably has at least an 18 in charisma.

wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad

charisma is selling salsa

I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?

One of the things I liked about the Chronicles of Darkness system is it cleared this up nicely. Stats were in a 3x3 grid.

One axis was physical, mental, social

The other was Power, Finesse, Resistance.

Want to shove something? Physical + Power. That’s strength.

Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s Dexterity Wits. (Edit: wrote dexterity originally, meant Wits)

Command attention? Social + Power. That’s the Presence stat.

Lie and misdirect? Social + Finesse. Stat was called Manipulation.

Now you can have a character that’s commanding without also being a natural liar and flirt. DND doesn’t help let you do that because the concepts are bundled together into a single stat.

(You could invest separately into like Expression for making speeches and Deception for lying, of course)

Humans are rated 1 to 5, where a 5 is the peak of human capability. Presence 5 is like AAA movie stars and great leaders.

Of course, if you add supernaturals to your game a starting chump vampire could have seven presence if they take Majesty as their power, and become a nearly irresistible magnet of attention.

i like how according to this everyone just has a big stick stowed away somehere

edit: wait now that i looked again, those are the exact stats for a fist in pf2e if you were level 0 and trained in unarmed attacks

assuming dnd fists work similarly, why didn’t they just put in a fist instead of a club?

Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s Dexterity.

Wait, wouldn’t it make sense to figure out a riddle with Intelligence? And for Dexterity to be Physical + Finesse?

Riddles are often lateral thinking or other cleverness, so they seem more finesse than power. But yes, I wrote “dexterity” when I meant “Wits”.

The words in the pictures have some diabolical keming

jpegging a pdf will do that for you

Those are SO not in the order I remember back when I used to pay.

It was:

STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHA.

As an added bonus, I remember the coin on the character sheets as being:

Gold
Silver
Copper
Platinum
Electrum

Probably helps to know I played in the late 70’s when campaigns like Keep on the Borderlands was a new thing and came in a box.

Because DnD fists do 1 + STR damage, no dice at all.