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Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy [HW support is there, but "The HDMI forum" doesn’t allow with OpenSource drivers]

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de
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    “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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    • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

      “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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      supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      At the time, there were too many standards. But looking back from today, we see that standardization does eventually occur, it just takes time.

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        Fuck hdmi

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        stoy@lemmy.zip
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        #7

        HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

        What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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        • S stoy@lemmy.zip

          HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

          What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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          NickeeCoco
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          #8

          No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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          • N NickeeCoco

            No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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            sat@lemmynsfw.com
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            #9

            This is the problem. I would switch to DP instantly but my TV only has HDMI ports.

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            • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

              “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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              D1re_W0lf
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              • S sat@lemmynsfw.com

                This is the problem. I would switch to DP instantly but my TV only has HDMI ports.

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                This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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                #11

                There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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                  kbal
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                  HDMI Forum Rejects Open-Source HDMI 2.1 Driver Support Sought By AMD

                  One of the limitations of AMD's open-source Linux graphics driver has been the inability to implement HDMI 2.1+ functionality on the basis of legal requirements by the HDMI Forum

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                  It’s pretty weird that this organization that exists only to extract rents from people who want to use hdmi remains unwilling to do so even for a customer as large as Valve. I wonder who has given them the motivation for it, and how much it cost them.

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                  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                    HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

                    What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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                    sendmephotos@lemmy.world
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                    #13

                    Omg is this seriously it??

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                    • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

                      “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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                      bradleyuffner@lemmy.world
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                      #14

                      The use case of “make a shit ton of money licensing a proprietary standard” is kind of mutually exclusive with other use cases. It would be hard to cover.

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                        opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de
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                        #15

                        At least one person got the joke. 😁

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                          There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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                          woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                          Pretty sure DRMed content refuses to play on those.

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                            There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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                            plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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                            #17

                            Latency, desync, probably can’t do full 4k/120… just because something exists doesn’t mean it’s a viable solution.

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                            • N NickeeCoco

                              No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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                              fascicle@leminal.space
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                              #18

                              Display port to HDMI cables are pretty good

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                                opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                Their motivation is staying away from open platforms, and protecting their members’ IP rights. Gotta thwart those pirates.

                                AMD is nearly 100x the size of Valve, and they couldn’t get HDMI 2.1 approval on Linux. Nvidia somewhat has it with their proprietary drivers, but not nouveau.

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                                  evil_shrubbery@lemmy.zip
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                                  It’s wild how much we flock around such shitty standards all the time, generation after generation.

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                                  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                                    HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

                                    What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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                                    localhorst86@feddit.org
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                                    My guess is TV compatibility. The steam machine is intended as a living room PC, connected to your TV. Most TVs only have HDMI, no DP.

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                                    • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

                                      Their motivation is staying away from open platforms, and protecting their members’ IP rights. Gotta thwart those pirates.

                                      AMD is nearly 100x the size of Valve, and they couldn’t get HDMI 2.1 approval on Linux. Nvidia somewhat has it with their proprietary drivers, but not nouveau.

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                                      kbal
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                                      They’re not fucking with AMD and Valve just because they spontaneously developed an irrational hatred of partly-open platforms. Somebody has persuaded them that they have a financial incentive to do it.

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                                      • S sendmephotos@lemmy.world

                                        Omg is this seriously it??

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                                        atrielienz@lemmy.world
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                                        Yeah pretty much. Display port is just as good but there aren’t really a lot of TVs on the market with display port because the people who own the HDMI standard are in that industry.

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                                        • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                                          HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

                                          What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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                                          Godort
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                                          I don’t think you can send audio over DisplayPort

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