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Girl Filmed "Consent Video" After "Doing The Whole Hockey Team" Leads To SA Case Acquitted - YouTube

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  • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

    I didnt watch the video (2 hours? No thanks) but I think the judge made it clear that the primary witness gave unreliable and untrustworthy testimony which really sank her credibility in this case.

    It hit peak head shaking wonder when the Crown prosecutor argued that just because she was sucking on a guy’s johnson doesnt mean she was consenting to other sex acts? Specifically “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act.” Which means, in that lawyer’s world, one must ask consent to every individual act.

    Does that include changing positions good sir? “Uh, just because I did doggy style doesnt mean I consented to reverse cowgirl. How DARE you assume I consented!”

    Hmm, I get the impression these people have never actually had a sexual relationship? Probably just safer to print out a consent form for each act and then have both parties sign before each act to make it clear they were both ok with it. I heard that works /s

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    auli@lemmy.ca
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    So because she’s giving one guy a blow job in your mind it means she wants to get relied from behind by another guy?

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    • M masterspace@lemmy.ca

      Honestly, this video is disingenuous.

      No one is arguing that it can’t be SA just because they’re athletes, and that had nothing to do with the judge’s ruling.

      The judge went through the evidence and it seemed more likely that she consented then not.

      This is a better article and was extremely easy to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0qlwnyy70o

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      auli@lemmy.ca
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      I’m I wrong or is it odd she did a consent video after the fact surrounded by a bunch of guys. Like they doesn’t seem like pressure to anyone else.

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      • A auli@lemmy.ca

        So because she’s giving one guy a blow job in your mind it means she wants to get relied from behind by another guy?

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        lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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        #12

        No because she’s giving a guy a blow job she can’t claim she didnt consent to having sex with that guy. Its a nonsensical claim.

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        • M masterspace@lemmy.ca

          Honestly, this video is disingenuous.

          No one is arguing that it can’t be SA just because they’re athletes, and that had nothing to do with the judge’s ruling.

          The judge went through the evidence and it seemed more likely that she consented then not.

          This is a better article and was extremely easy to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0qlwnyy70o

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          runsmooth
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          #13

          What’s wrong with exploring the details of a high profile case involving Hockey players sexually assaulting a woman? I think the videos are well researched, and together form up 3 hours of well thought out detail.

          I point out that this is a deep dive into the issue, and you roll up with a BBC article that probably takes 5 minutes to read.

          Also, I watched the videos, and there’s discussion about how badly the case was handled from all fronts; and, there’s treatment on how netizens have some consensus that there was very little likelihood that the charges would result in convictions because of how the laws are.

          I won’t go over all the highlights. A few points raised for me were:

          Criminal law standards vs morality standards - I felt that the video also distinguished the issue of the court’s formal finding of guilt or innocence based on a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. They even went over the moral issues that arose when exploring the culture of sexism in the Hockey players online “bible”, consent, and even the pinch points on evidence that were in favour of either the Hockey players and the complainant.

          What’s society comfortable with issues of team sports and toxic behaviour? We’re being reminded about the ugly side of Hockey culture and whether we want these players to be flaunting their wealth and power around in this way. Or should they pay a price? Who should trust these roving packs of guys, travelling from town to town, grabbing at booze and women, then rushing home to their well compensated handlers at the first sign of trouble?

          What credibility does Hockey Canada have? An organization that’s supposed to be hand holding these guys, and upholding some semblance of a honour/conduct system? There’s clips of the players making alleged statements to Hockey Canada for conduct over the allegations of sexual assault, and their statements are not even consistent with what ends up out during the criminal proceedings.

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          • A auli@lemmy.ca

            I’m I wrong or is it odd she did a consent video after the fact surrounded by a bunch of guys. Like they doesn’t seem like pressure to anyone else.

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            runsmooth
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            A valid point raised in the video as well. These 19 something year old players allege that the complainant was begging for sex, and everyone felt awkward. No one films to document this remarkable scene that sounds like a porn video.

            But, they definitely had time to record a consent video.

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            • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

              No because she’s giving a guy a blow job she can’t claim she didnt consent to having sex with that guy. Its a nonsensical claim.

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              athatet@lemmy.zip
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              Breaking news: you can give someone a blowjob and also not want to have sex with them.

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              • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                Breaking news: you can give someone a blowjob and also not want to have sex with them.

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                lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                #16

                Bigger breaking news: Giving someone a blowjob IS having sex with them. Whoosh.

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                • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                  I didnt watch the video (2 hours? No thanks) but I think the judge made it clear that the primary witness gave unreliable and untrustworthy testimony which really sank her credibility in this case.

                  It hit peak head shaking wonder when the Crown prosecutor argued that just because she was sucking on a guy’s johnson doesnt mean she was consenting to other sex acts? Specifically “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act.” Which means, in that lawyer’s world, one must ask consent to every individual act.

                  Does that include changing positions good sir? “Uh, just because I did doggy style doesnt mean I consented to reverse cowgirl. How DARE you assume I consented!”

                  Hmm, I get the impression these people have never actually had a sexual relationship? Probably just safer to print out a consent form for each act and then have both parties sign before each act to make it clear they were both ok with it. I heard that works /s

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                  orioler25@lemmy.ca
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                  #17

                  Yes, that is what that means. Consent is revocable, ongoing, and more complex than, “you were kinda into it before and said yes at first so now I can do whatever I want to you. No takesie backsies.” If you ever have sex, yes, that person can change their mind and it is rape if you don’t stop. That’s right, saying yes to doggystyle doesn’t mean they consented to reverse cowgirl and it takes a full two seconds to check in on them throughout sex, y’know, like they’re a person. You don’t sound like you’re talking about common sense like you think you do, you just sound like a fucking rapist who is pissed that consent language is more well known than it used to be.

                  Unironically, some douche named “LoveCanada” spewing rapist gaslighting talking points is just perfect, could even be a character bit.

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                  • Y yannic@lemmy.ca

                    It is new slang, and it wouldn’t be an issue if they simply used a video sharing platform that doesn’t subscribe to the Chinese communist government’s moral guidelines.

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                    orioler25@lemmy.ca
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                    Are you seriously too young to remember the Adpocalypse?

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                    • R runsmooth

                      What’s wrong with exploring the details of a high profile case involving Hockey players sexually assaulting a woman? I think the videos are well researched, and together form up 3 hours of well thought out detail.

                      I point out that this is a deep dive into the issue, and you roll up with a BBC article that probably takes 5 minutes to read.

                      Also, I watched the videos, and there’s discussion about how badly the case was handled from all fronts; and, there’s treatment on how netizens have some consensus that there was very little likelihood that the charges would result in convictions because of how the laws are.

                      I won’t go over all the highlights. A few points raised for me were:

                      Criminal law standards vs morality standards - I felt that the video also distinguished the issue of the court’s formal finding of guilt or innocence based on a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. They even went over the moral issues that arose when exploring the culture of sexism in the Hockey players online “bible”, consent, and even the pinch points on evidence that were in favour of either the Hockey players and the complainant.

                      What’s society comfortable with issues of team sports and toxic behaviour? We’re being reminded about the ugly side of Hockey culture and whether we want these players to be flaunting their wealth and power around in this way. Or should they pay a price? Who should trust these roving packs of guys, travelling from town to town, grabbing at booze and women, then rushing home to their well compensated handlers at the first sign of trouble?

                      What credibility does Hockey Canada have? An organization that’s supposed to be hand holding these guys, and upholding some semblance of a honour/conduct system? There’s clips of the players making alleged statements to Hockey Canada for conduct over the allegations of sexual assault, and their statements are not even consistent with what ends up out during the criminal proceedings.

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                      1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                      its a tricky case just on that consent video alone. part of me says she consented, another part of me says she was forced to do it. and i do take into account of hockeys history of things around a topic such as this. Personally, if i was given a gun to my head to choose, id say she was pressured into doing the consent video.

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                      • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                        Breaking news: you can give someone a blowjob and also not want to have sex with them.

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                        1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                        i think the words both you and @LoveCanada@lemmy.ca are both looking for is intercourse

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                        • I icytrees@sh.itjust.works

                          So you’re commenting on something you didn’t watch?

                          Yes, engaging in any sexual act is not implied consent for every sexual act. In what world is it hard to ask if someone wants something? They’re like, right there. Source: I’m a slut.

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                          1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                          agree 100%. you can’t assume your partner unless consented beforehand is saying yes = do whatever you want (again, unless they specifically say that).

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                          • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                            Yeah 2 hours of a full length feature movie with really good actors might hold my attention but two hours of a random youtuber, highly unlikely.

                            As for consent, sorry, Im used to being a loving committed relationship, not one night stands with strangers while cheating on my fiance after picking up someone in a bar. I know what my wife likes and doesnt like and once the train leaves the station, we’re not pausing to get ‘informed consent’ about every little change up. But you do you. Or someone else. Whichever 🙂

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                            1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                            #22

                            so wait, when you had sex with your wife for the first time, did you just start having sex with her without her saying she wanted it?

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                            • I icytrees@sh.itjust.works

                              It took me too long to figure out she was saying ‘SA-ing’ and not ‘essay-ing.’ I thought it was new Gen Z slang.

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                              1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                              yeah SA is kinda new and a way to keep videos flagged for inappropriate content. Honestly i know its annoying but they have to cover themselves so the video doesn’t get flagged.

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                              • xxce2aab@feddit.dkX xxce2aab@feddit.dk

                                I’m regrettably not surprised, just very disappointed.

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                                1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                                when i heard the news come out from the acquittal, i was not happy with the outcome. I feel like it required further investigation and judicial action.

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                                • 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca1 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca

                                  so wait, when you had sex with your wife for the first time, did you just start having sex with her without her saying she wanted it?

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                                  lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                                  You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?

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                                  • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                                    You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?

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                                    1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                                    don’t pull up and talk about consent when you won’t even tell someone if you even believe in consent in the first place.

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                                    • 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca1 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca

                                      don’t pull up and talk about consent when you won’t even tell someone if you even believe in consent in the first place.

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                                      lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                                      Of course I dont believe in consent. Its a mans world. We take what we want when we want it. That’s the way its supposed to be. /s

                                      C’mon man, its not your first day on the internet nor mine. You know and I know exactly where that kind of personal question leads and Im not that dumb.

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                                      • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                                        You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?

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                                        njm1314@lemmy.world
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                                        #28

                                        You got a whole paragraph talking about fucking your wife and now you’re shy? Why did you even bring it up in the first place then I don’t get it.

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                                        • 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca1 1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca

                                          i think the words both you and @LoveCanada@lemmy.ca are both looking for is intercourse

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                                          lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                                          No I meant sex. Intercourse is sex. Blowjobs are sex.

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